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re: Patriots = Jihadist according to the LA Times
Posted on 3/20/13 at 10:14 am to bayoudude
Posted on 3/20/13 at 10:14 am to bayoudude
Look for a false flag event that blames "patriots" and puts all of us into the domestic terrorist category. This us just the beginning if the propaganda. CNN also was reporting the Southern Poverty Law Centers white paper that there is an increased threat of domestic terrorism from people who believe in the Constitution, guns etc.
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 10:19 am to BruslyTiger
There is nothing statists fear more than liberty. The idea of people not wanting their guidance, and even rejecting their 'it's for your own good' bullshite scares them to death.
They can't imagine themselves or any of the people they wish to control living without their input. Statists come from both R and D sides.
The R statists want to ban abortion, drugs, gambling, and alcohol. The D statists want to ban firearms, facts (ie non PC info), standard capacity magazines, and anything else that frightens them. Despite their supposedly polar opposite political philosophies, I see them as more alike than different.
Humans come in two flavors: those who want to control others and those who only want to be left alone.
I suppose one could extrapolate a bit and say that 3-pers (III) value liberty and small government with a religious zeal, but I see no other parallels with Jihadists.
LA is full of statists. When the economy goes tits up, I wouldn't want to be within 300 miles of SoCal. I mean, 30M people living in an area with enough naturally occurring water to support 1% of that.
What's not to love about SoCal?
They can't imagine themselves or any of the people they wish to control living without their input. Statists come from both R and D sides.
The R statists want to ban abortion, drugs, gambling, and alcohol. The D statists want to ban firearms, facts (ie non PC info), standard capacity magazines, and anything else that frightens them. Despite their supposedly polar opposite political philosophies, I see them as more alike than different.
Humans come in two flavors: those who want to control others and those who only want to be left alone.
I suppose one could extrapolate a bit and say that 3-pers (III) value liberty and small government with a religious zeal, but I see no other parallels with Jihadists.
LA is full of statists. When the economy goes tits up, I wouldn't want to be within 300 miles of SoCal. I mean, 30M people living in an area with enough naturally occurring water to support 1% of that.
What's not to love about SoCal?
Posted on 3/20/13 at 10:23 am to WNCTiger
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Statists come from both R and D sides.
The R statists want to ban abortion, drugs, gambling, and alcohol. The D statists want to ban firearms, facts (ie non PC info), standard capacity magazines, and anything else that frightens them. Despite their supposedly polar opposite political philosophies, I see them as more alike than different.
You Sir are an articulate and rational thinker. You have no business here, please move on...
In all seriousness, good post...
Posted on 3/20/13 at 10:24 am to bayoudude
America 2013: clinging to the constitution is for hate groups
What the hell happened to this country?
What the hell happened to this country?
Posted on 3/20/13 at 10:28 am to wiltznucs
Posted on 3/20/13 at 10:44 am to bayoudude
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well if you throw out NOLA's statistics from black on black crime we are probably one of the safer states...
Add to that BR's shootings by the Katrina convicts we inherited and we'd be a model state.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:16 am to BruslyTiger
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Patriot groups first began surfacing after the massacre of a bizarre sect by federal agents in Waco, Texas, in the early 1990s. They showed their teeth in 1995, when a patriot adherent blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City.
Funny how they don't mention the following, along with the above quote in the Editorial:
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Documents obtained by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit show then Clinton Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder authorized members of the FBI to provide explosives to Oklahoma City bombing criminals Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols immediately prior to the April, 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah building.
Holder had authorized the FBI to provide the explosives to McVeigh and Nichols in conjunction with a Clinton Administration undercover operation named PATCON, an acronym for “Patriot Conspiracy.” As Jesse Trentadue describes it, “PATCON was designed to infiltrate and incite… militia[s] and evangelical Christians to violence so that the Department of Justice could crush them.”
Both Waco and Ruby Ridge are now known to have been PATCON inspired, Department of Justice plots
This post was edited on 3/20/13 at 11:19 am
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:50 am to Alahunter
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Documents obtained by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit show then Clinton Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder authorized members of the FBI to provide explosives to Oklahoma City bombing criminals Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols immediately prior to the April, 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah building.
Holder had authorized the FBI to provide the explosives to McVeigh and Nichols in conjunction with a Clinton Administration undercover operation named PATCON, an acronym for “Patriot Conspiracy.” As Jesse Trentadue describes it, “PATCON was designed to infiltrate and incite… militia[s] and evangelical Christians to violence so that the Department of Justice could crush them.”
Both Waco and Ruby Ridge are now known to have been PATCON inspired, Department of Justice plots
Wait, WHAT?
Source?
Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:02 pm to uway
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Wait, WHAT? Source?
(J.M. Berger is an all-platform journalist specializing in terrorism and author of the new book, Jihad Joe: Americans Who Go to War in the Name of Islam. He has written and produced content for NPR, the National Geographic Channel and the Boston Globe. Berger runs the terrorism Web site Intelwire.com.)
forgeinpolicy.com
Various other sites have had it too, including Examiner, Westernjournalism and Intelwire.
warning - graphic images. Body of alleged suicide victim in prison, which the FBI paid $1 million in a civil suit for
Shortly after the Oklahoma City Bombing, Kenneth Michael Trentadue is tortured and strangled in an isolation cell at the Oklahoma City Federal Transfer Center. The Department of Justice informs the family that he had hanged himself with a bedsheet. His family believes that he was murdered by agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and that his death is linked to the Bombing. Kenneth Michael Trentadue may have been the 169th victim of that attack.
Trentadue files, with links to FBI documents and other documents
This post was edited on 3/20/13 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:15 pm to Alahunter
Amen Alahunter. Just the type of false flag that they are dying to re-create.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:29 pm to kevv824
U.S. Citizens have more to fear from it's own government when the Socialist, Nazi-like officials are in power. The entire Militia movement in the 90's can be attributed to the policies of the administration trying to take away Constitutional Rights. They didn't learn their lesson then, that it creates the environment for people to join those type of groups. Add in, that Gov't clandestine programs are designed to help facilitate them more, so that more stringent laws can be enacted, and it's a matter of time before something similar happens again.
And then they and the MSM will decry that it's religious, white zealots. Ignoring the role Gov't played in it. And they'll push for more gun control, more intrusions into home and privacy, and the Honey Boo Boo public will mindlessly give them what they want.
There should have been criminal procedures against agents for using CS gas at Waco, resulting in the deaths of more children than Newtown's massacre. There should have been criminal procedures against agents who killed Randy Weaver's son, and wife (who was holding an infant at the time she was shot). But there wasn't. And the same Senators pushing for gun control now, protected the Gov't in hearings back in the 90's. Specifically, the evil that is Chuck Schumer.
And then they and the MSM will decry that it's religious, white zealots. Ignoring the role Gov't played in it. And they'll push for more gun control, more intrusions into home and privacy, and the Honey Boo Boo public will mindlessly give them what they want.
There should have been criminal procedures against agents for using CS gas at Waco, resulting in the deaths of more children than Newtown's massacre. There should have been criminal procedures against agents who killed Randy Weaver's son, and wife (who was holding an infant at the time she was shot). But there wasn't. And the same Senators pushing for gun control now, protected the Gov't in hearings back in the 90's. Specifically, the evil that is Chuck Schumer.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:00 pm to Alahunter
Molon Labe
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:34 pm to bayoudude
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Man i shouldn't have read that now i feel like punching something
Did any of you click on the trigger happiest states link in there? LA is number one... well if you throw out NOLA's statistics from black on black crime we are probably one of the safer states....
thats why I aint gonna read it
Posted on 3/20/13 at 3:05 pm to WNCTiger
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The R statists want to ban abortion, drugs, gambling, and alcohol. The D statists want to ban firearms, facts (ie non PC info), standard capacity magazines, and anything else that frightens them. Despite their supposedly polar opposite political philosophies, I see them as more alike than different.
Solid, sir! Solid!
That's why even though I may lean more right than left, I am truly libertarian. I hate how hardcore conservatives think the law should step in to enforce social/moral issues. Them not budging on outdated social issues is what makes me really hate the party.
The law has no place to legislate on issues that do not adversely affect society. If people are too sensitive and get offended by someone being different, I say tough shite. For example, gay people should be able to live as they want. And on the other hand, if someone wants to take a hardcore drug and ruin his or her life, that decision should be left up to the individual. As much as I see social issues sometimes being morally wrong, like gambling or drug addiction, this is not something the law can FORCE on people.
Both parties continue to try people control. That's why I feel there should be a new approach to have the government step off and relax. But then we have the arm pits of America, like the communist northeast and that state on the west coast that should break off the mainland pushing most of the laws on the entire land. This is the most divided I have ever seen this country in my lifetime, or at least since I've paid attention.
But, I will continue to be a freedom-loving patriot and fight to maintain that freedom.
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