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New hunting rifle advice

Posted on 10/16/15 at 12:22 am
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2719 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 12:22 am
So I'm in the market for a new rifle. I want one that can be used for pretty much any North American hunt, from Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Moose, Bear, etc. I'm not super experienced like most of you when it comes to hunting, but I have been white tail hunting a few times, duck, hog, dove etc, so I'm not a complete novice either.

What spurred this on is I'm going to be going on an Elk hunt next year with some buddies, we are being taken by one of my buddies companies. And through this same connection I may be going on a nice hunt every few years.

I'd like to get one on the nicer side, one that I'll keep forever. So recommendations don't have to be $500 starters or anything. At the same time, I don't need to spend $2000 on something that is pretty much the same as $1000 gun either. I'm thinking a 30-06 or .308.

So anyway, any recommendations are welcome and appreciated.
This post was edited on 10/16/15 at 4:24 am
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5860 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 12:44 am to
Sako 85 is around $1500 to $1700 and is the absolute best production hunting rifle in existence. A Tikka can be had for around $600-650 and is a budget Sako (sister company). Anyways, you said "nicer side" so I will recommend you a Sako 85 of any flavor you desire (wood, synthetic,stainless, blued, etc.) with some Vortex or Burris glass (swarovski, schmidt and bender, nightforce if you want to spend more). The sako I have hunted with on numerous occasions (I dont own it) is an 85 finnlite in .270wsm topped with a Schmidt and Bender
3-12X50 Zenith. It is by far the nicest production hunting rifle I have shot and it is the gun I have killed most of my deer with. .30-06 will kill anything in North America and most places beyond so you picked a good caliber there. But as mentioned, you cant go wrong with the Sako, it is simply phenomenal.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259992 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 12:49 am to
quote:

from Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Moose, Bear, etc


.338 win mag.

Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2719 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 1:31 am to
Thanks Chatrabbit. I've actually seen the Sako 85 and the Tikka T3 recommended multiple times on forums I have been lurking here the last couple of days. Now just a questions of if I want to go with the Tikka or pay double for the Sako. The Tikka sure does look nice on some of the sights I've been looking at.
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5860 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 1:37 am to
The Tikka is nice and I have no regrets buying mine. Either way you will really enjoy either. The Sako is amazing but to say it is 3 times better than the tikka (as it costs 3 times as much) is simply wrong. Good midpoint is the Sako A7 even though it is only synthetic stocked. Still, I personally wouldnt say it is the $300-$500 better than a Tikka. That money could be put towards better glass.
This post was edited on 10/16/15 at 1:40 am
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2719 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 1:46 am to
Any input on maybe going with a .308 instead of the 30-06? Maybe a little easier on the shoulder when I'm shooting at the range and cheaper ammo?

Maybe not Moose but should be fine for Elk, no?
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5860 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 2:05 am to
.308 will kill a moose as well. It is all about shot placement. It is indeed easier on the shoulder. A tikka is light so felt recoil is a bit higher with .30-06. Another caliber I recommend highly is 6.5X55. It will kill moose and has even less recoil than a .308 (in my experience). It is a great cartridge.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
66380 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 2:10 am to
Tikka T3 CTR.

30-06 has enough load diversity to kill anything in North America. If you reload, get 280 Ackley Improved
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
2129 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 2:43 am to
What type of distances you plan on shooting? A 30-06 will do everything but a 300 win mag will be much flatter and deliver more energy on the larger game.
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2719 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 3:30 am to
quote:

What type of distances you plan on shooting? A 30-06 will do everything but a 300 win mag will be much flatter and deliver more energy on the larger game.
No set distances. I'd like to buy the best all around rifle that I can that can take down pretty much anything as well as be good for the range and not kill the shoulder every time I want to go to the range.
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
2129 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 4:06 am to
There's tons of options in your price range. I'm partial to the Tikkas and Winchester model 70 featherweight
This post was edited on 10/16/15 at 4:07 am
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
12989 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 6:30 am to
No one on here ever recommends or even mentions Kimber rifles..
I've never shot or even handled one, but they look like fine rifles. What's the OB opinion on them?


OP, for a western rifle that will be used for elk, moose, and bear, I'd choose; 30-06,
7mm mag, 300 win mag, and 35 whelen.
Posted by DownSouthDave
Beau, Bro, Baw
Member since Jan 2013
7366 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 7:46 am to
I shoot a sako finnlight in 308 with a swarovski z6 1.7-10. Just got back from a moose hunt in which I also packed a 375 h&h. After the first couple days, I put that heavy sob back in the case amd carried around my 308.

I would suggest the sako because I like mine. But the Tikkas are really quality guns too. Differences that I can think of are the mag and the stock. Mag holds 5 amd is made of metal on the sako. Mag holds 3 and is made of plastic on the tikka. Stock is much nicer on the sako, it's made of a grippy material. I like it, a lot.

If you're going to be packing this thing around for elk, I would go with something light with a synthetic stock, packing around all thay extra weight that wood brings is for the birds.
This post was edited on 10/16/15 at 7:52 am
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24954 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 7:59 am to
If you actually have a chance to shoot a moose you do not want anything smaller than 7mm mag.

.300 win mag would be better. I would prefer a .338 like Roger said.

A .22 LR will kill a deer but it isn't the best for the application.
Posted by DownSouthDave
Beau, Bro, Baw
Member since Jan 2013
7366 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 8:08 am to
I am going to have to disagree. The outfitter and guides we used kept saying it didn't take much to kill them, amd they were right. The hide isn't as thick as you think and they are "weak hearted" as the guides said. All the moose were shot with 270s amd 35 whelen. The only one that ran more than 20 yards was shot with the Whelen. I don't think I would have a problem bringing any deer rifle on a moose hunt after what I have seen.
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
15762 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 8:12 am to
Sako A7 long range Hunter in .300 win mag. Put a meopta meopro or z3 on it.
This post was edited on 10/16/15 at 8:14 am
Posted by The Last Coco
On the water
Member since Mar 2009
6840 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 8:15 am to
Couple of thoughts:

1. Whatever your budget is, I always recommend spending more on glass than most people. Look at it this way: every production rifle out there is inherently more accurate than we are so it won't be your limiting factor - you will. In the price range you're talking about, I would look at Swarovski or S&B. If you're spending over $1000 on the rifle, don't skimp on the scope.

2. The Sako is a lifetime gun and an heirloom gun. I would also look at a Browning x-bolt as an intermediary in terms of price between the Sako and the Tikka. The tikka to me is a tool - it gets the job done but isn't something you buy for posterity. The Sako will last generations and is a work of art.

3. For a round, either the .30-06 or the .308 will do fine for anything elk and under. I wouldn't hunt grizzlies or moose with it though. Sure, it'll kill them, but it's not ideal. IMO, the best all-around cartridge is the .270wsm. You pay a lot for the ammo, but how often are you going to shoot? Maybe a box a year? So who cares if it's $45/box instead of $30/box for a more common round.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13560 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 8:17 am to
If I had a $1500 budget to spend on a rifle for your purposes that could be an "heirloom" weapon like I assume youre thinking it would be a
Tikka T3 Forest
Tikka T3 Forest - $800 chambered in either 7mm Rem Mag or 30-06 with this Vortex Viper HS 4-16x50 - $560 scope on it.

Chuck Hawk's Rifle Recoil Table

Both of those rounds in 150 grains would be manageable recoil wise. I dont own a Tikka T3, but one of my best friends just bought one and I put about 15 rounds through his the other day. It is a fine rifle for the money.

Another route you could go would be a quality budget rifle like this Ruger American Standard 30-06 - $354 and put a Nightforce SHV 5-20x56 -$1171 scope on it.
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5860 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 8:26 am to
quote:

If you actually have a chance to shoot a moose you do not want anything smaller than 7mm mag.

This is not true. .308 or 6.5 will kill a moose just fine.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17253 posts
Posted on 10/16/15 at 8:27 am to
quote:

Whitetail, Mule Deer, Elk, Moose, Bear,


.308, 30-06, 7 mag will be fine for all above IF you are talking about black bear, if you are considering a brown bear, I would not go with anything less than a 300, and on my recent hunt I took a 338 win mag



get a T3 and spend the rest of your budget on glass
This post was edited on 10/16/15 at 8:31 am
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