re: Multiple Suppressor Questions

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you'll still need ear pro if shooting supers suppressed

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“Need” is subjective unless you’re an ear doctor.

My ears ring very easily due to years of shooting without hearing protection. But they don’t ring when I shoot my .308 suppressed with supersonic ammo.

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1. Can you explain the “trust” for the suppressor? I heard someone reference a “big trust”. Is there a cost associated with the “trust”?

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You can get a trust that can “own” one or more NFA items, as the tax stamp ($200) will be registered to the trust. If you have a single trust with multiple items, to add a member to the trust, you have to have that new trustee do the paperwork and background check and fingerprints and it’s a nightmare. If you do one trust per NFA item it is much simpler, and you can add trustees just by printing a couple forms and getting the new trustee and primary trustee to sign the forms under a notary. That’s what I did. One trust per NFA item.

What does the trust represent? That the $200 was paid to the government.

What can the government do if you don’t pay the $200? Let’s say you make your own can and don’t do the paperwork and don’t get a tax stamp. Why, they can throw you in the slammer for 10 years… not for having an illegal weapon. No, they throw you in jail for 10 years for not paying $200. It’s stupid.

In January, now that the tax stamp is $0, it will be challenged and the entire NFA might be declared unconstitutional. Until then, you have do all the bullshite fingerprint and paperwork and trust and a form 4473, unless you want to be a badass and just start making cans yourself for the greater good of all of us. See, after you are arrested and they tear your life apart, they will have to convince a judge and jury that you should be thrown in jail for 10 years for not paying zero dollars. When it is thrown out and you are released “not guilty”, that will set the perfect precedent to get the NFA thrown into the shitter if it hadn’t been yet.

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2. This is more of an ammo with suppressor question. If you use sub sonic ammo with a .308 with a suppressor will it put a good hole in the deer and leave a good blood trail?

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A 308 subsonic is about as worthless as tits on a boar. You just as soon do a 300 Blackout… same size bullet, same speed, more optimized for subsonic and good hunting ammo is available for it. It will poke a hole through and through and you will have to trail the deer like you’d shot it with a bow. 100 yard limit on taking a shot.

You’d be better off with regular 308 hunting ammo, good for 300++ yard shots. The can will make it hearing safe, meaning no ear muffs or ear plugs when shooting.

If you want to do subsonic deer hunting though, I’d urge you to consider 458 Socom. 600 grains at 1100fps. (Instead of 180 grains at 1100fps of the 300 Blackout). You can probably make ethical kills from 200 yards with this set up but you’d have to practice and get a range finder.

Several guys have said this, but I'll say it differently. When you shoot a gun unsuppressed, you hear two explosions. One is the round exploding in the chamber, and the other is the sound barrier being broken. The silencer deadens the explosion in the chamber. The sound of the sound barrier breaking IMO sounds like a loud noise off in the distance. I shoot my .308 silenced without hearing protection when I shoot.

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prefer the short cans for my longer barrel rifles.

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Reflex cans like the AB raptor is where its at. The extra volume behind the muzzle doesnt get you the same sound suppression as the volume and baffles infront the muzzle, but it does change the tone a lot. You get the performance of a huge can without having a huge can hanging off the muzzle.

Im hoping that with further deregulation we start seeing more reflex options on the market.

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Check out the Hyperion, I think that checks most of those boxes. Love mine, I could demonstrate it on one of those Nilgai y'all have running around down there

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I’ve got the Hyperion K and the Hyperion was my number 1 until the PTR came out.

Do you have a link that would explain the process you used for the trust ?

I’ve bought 4 using the kiosk, but I used my LGS that files electronically to file for my 5th. The submission process was much faster. They submitted the next day after purchase versus a 2 - 4 week wait to submit when using the SS kiosk.

If you got the non-kiosk route and want a trust, you’ll have to get the trust paperwork notarized.

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if I have a .45, 9 mm, and a .22 pistols that all have threaded barrels can I use one suppressor for all of them?

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You can but don't. A .22 is very dirty and you want a silencer made for a .22 for them. They’re easier to take apart and clean.