re: Lets have a best side arm contest.

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I only own 1 semi-automatic pistol and it's a Lorcin .25

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I bet the electrical tape-wrapped grip is super nice.

And see that even depends on the description of defense.


For a personal defense weapon where the vast majority of instances will involve one combatant, and only a few rounds fired, the 1911 is not a bad choice. The stopping power of the round out weighs the concerns about capacity when the targets are predictably minimal. Most 1911's are large, and heavy and not the easiest to conceal for the majority of people. However, I can carry my Kimber with a tuckable IWB holster and due to my size it is comfortable and concealable all day long. The one concern I have with EDC is in Condition 0 or Condition 1 the hammer is back and provides a potential for catching on clothing when coming out of concealment.


For a service weapon or defense weapon where you may encounter more than one assailant, the capacity is a concern. Even if you carry 2 extra mags you are still looking at only 21 rounds and 2 reloads vs, 17 rounds without a reload and a total of 51 with 2 extra mags in some dbl stacked 9 mm's. Modern ammo construction has not allowed 9mm to surpass the .45 but the gap has greatly decreased when it comes to stopping power using the proper loads.

And no your right it hasn't surpassed the 45 in terms of one on one bullet comparisons but considering 9mm can be shot much faster and much more accurately and many more times it is an absolute winner. Select 9mm lids correctly and they will expand to .65 to .7". Select your 45 loads correctly and they can get .8-.9". Both penetrating in between 12-18". Yes in a one on one comparison the 45 bullet obviously expands and penetrates better. But it does not do so so greatly to outweigh the ability for more accurate and quicker shots and more shots to be placed with the 9mm

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Stopping power does not exist for handguns

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I, and many others, disagree.

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To limit yourself and use "stopping power" as a crutch for limited capacity

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Quite the opposite. I was simply saying each firearm is well suited in certain situations. If my only objective is to defend myself, not others, incapacitate a predictably singular assailant, and create space between me and an opposing force, the 1911 is more that sufficient. Even with only 7 rounds.



When working an armed service capacity, an SR9 17+1 with a total of 51 rounds is a better choice.




I also find this statement

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I think the 1911 is the finest showpiece and range piece/ competition piece.

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to contradict this one.

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But it does not do so, so greatly to outweigh the ability for more accurate and quicker shots and more shots to be placed with the 9mm

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There are MANY shooters who can put 7 devastating rounds on target from a 1911 as fast or faster than others can put 7 9 mm rounds on target. And the tissue damage would be much larger. Both would result in a dead bad guy though.

Why would i compare apples to oranges. Put that 9mm in the handed of the 45 shooter and he would greatly improve his time and accuracy. And take that same 45 and put it in the 9mm shooters handed and his time and accuracy would greatly suffer

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I'm pretty confidants that if you ask people that's shot both the P30 and the VP9 few would choose the P30

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True. It's 2017, not 2001

Meh. Stopping power can very much be attained in a handgun, just not an easily carried or easy to shoot one.

A full sized .44 magnum with some light bullets would do very bad things to a person

Yes that's what people are concerned about because that is what studies have shown to be effective.

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Put that 9mm in the handed of the 45 shooter and he would greatly improve his time and accuracy. And take that same 45 and put it in the 9mm shooters handed and his time and accuracy would greatly suffer

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I shoot and carry both. I shoot the 1911 faster and more accurately.


so does this guy
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and so do many others

Physics don't add up there. There is a difference between not being familiar and comfortable with a platform and shooting slower rather than shooting two similar platforms of differing calibers. Ie you would see very different results comparing glock 17 to a glock 21.

Just because that shooter or you are more comfortable with the 1911 platform because that is what you shoot does not make the platform inherently faster across the board. It means you can shoot it faster. Given a 9mm in 1911 platform you would should faster than the 45 equipped platform. And similarly with a glock 17 vs glock 21 comparison would show the same results.