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Posted on 3/13/13 at 3:02 pm to Motorboat
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Is that where you came from?
I'm all over brah.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 3:06 pm to TheGreat318
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SOLUTION: Close down the underperforming schools...and sink them.
Currently trademarking Glen Oaks to Reefs.
awesome
Posted on 3/13/13 at 3:08 pm to TheGreat318
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Currently trademarking Glen Oaks to Reefs.
Then we'll have to provide access for the inner city kids to utilize "their" reef. The azians that own the food marts around the area will overfish it. Then we'll have to have some kind of reef swap program so everybody has the same fishing opportunities. I like the thought but bad idea.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 3:25 pm to Capt ST
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Then we'll have to provide access for the inner city kids to utilize "their" reef.
For some reason...I dont foresee this part being a big problem.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 3:28 pm to TheGreat318
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For some reason...I dont foresee this part being a big problem.
Supplemental CATS tax on homeowners parish wide, but only voted on by 70805 residents.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 3:40 pm to Capt ST
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This thread isn't going to be hijacked over public school issues. We keep throwing money at it and keep getting less in return. Tenure should be eliminated, if you're a good teacher your job is secure, if you suck flip burgers. But you damn well shouldn't be able to retire on my tax dollars while spitting out juvenile delinquents that can't spell their names or read on 3rd grade level at 18.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Kids who don't want to learn,and don't have parents that care if they lear, will more than likely not give a shite and make horrible grades. This in no way is a teachers fault.
So because a teacher works at a low income public school where there would be more of these students, her class average would probably be lower than a teacher at a nicer school. Soo...does this mean the teacher at the public school is a bad teacher and should be fired?
You can not grade teachers at all schools the same. There are too many variables. Jindal and his administration have changed the way teachers are evaluated, so it is exactly as above. Thus, making teachers at lower income schools look like bad teachers because the kids do not care to learn.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 4:07 pm to weisertiger
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So because a teacher works at a low income public school where there would be more of these students, her class average would probably be lower than a teacher at a nicer school. Soo...does this mean the teacher at the public school is a bad teacher and should be fired?
By this logic there shouldn't really be any excuse for a teacher grading poorly at a higher income school. Fire the poorly graded teacher from nice school and move the poorly graded one from the inner city school to take her place on a one year probationary status. But wouldn't it be relative to the school? If all the kids at low income school are performing poorly, bell curve would still be applicable with instructors on hand.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 5:28 pm to Capt ST
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By this logic there shouldn't really be any excuse for a teacher grading poorly at a higher income school.
There shouldn't.
If a teacher grades poorly at a school with higher averages compared to the rest of the state, then that grade shows that the teacher is performing below average for teachers at her school. Which is correct.
The problem is when a teacher is graded poorly at a school with consistently lower averages than the rest of the state using the same grading system as the teacher at the better school.
Shouldn't the teachers at lower income schools with consistently lower testing averages get some sort of curve or handicap?
It's like two coaches coaching two teams.
Team A has LSU type talent
Team B has SLU type talent
If they play the same schedule is it fair to have the same expectations from the both coaches?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 6:58 pm to lsuroadie
quote:No frickin crickets here pal. Let me give you a little fact. He's wanting to change/cut retirement from teachers who've PAID into it. Teachers held up their end of the bargain but the State diverted monies and didn't put in their share. That's bad business. Jindal's a POS.
I ask someone that bitches about the spending cuts from education and health, I ask them, OK... 'where did you want him to get the money from?'
This post was edited on 3/13/13 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 3/13/13 at 7:10 pm to Capt ST
quote:Tenure is always overplayed. Teachers don't care about that and it's seldom even mentioned.
This thread isn't going to be hijacked over public school issues. We keep throwing money at it and keep getting less in return. Tenure should be eliminated, if you're a good teacher your job is secure
quote:Spell their names? Well, actually if you'd see some, I bet YOU couldn't even spell them.
But you damn well shouldn't be able to retire on my tax dollars while spitting out juvenile delinquents that can't spell their names or read on 3rd grade level at 18.
Jindal, has EVERY high school student taking the ACT (American College Test) and using the results as part of the process to rate teachers. You think that's fair? Having kids take a "college" test when they know dam well they're going to farm, work offshore, etc?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 8:41 pm to Geauxtiga
Sure they care about tenure. Look at what is being produced in the public system. To sit and listen to the Teachers Union say the status quo is the way to go is an insult to my intelligence and makes me question the educators that elected them as their spokespersons. System is broken and has been, more money isn't the solution. It cost us 3xs more to produce an illiterate future convict than it does to put a kid thru private school. Obviously a few of you are Ivory Tower types, how do we fix it? If you have no alternative then stfu. What we have doesn't work, 40 years jockeying for 49th place isn't results to model from.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:30 pm to Capt ST
If they don't sue they will never get that money back you can your arse on it. Politicians promises are complete bullshite
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:37 pm to Capt ST
quote:No, they don't.
Sure they care about tenure.
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makes me question the educators that elected them as their spokespersons.
But it's okay for lay people to be elected ant run schools? I get it.
quote:We have a Congress that hasn't passed a budget in umpteen years but it's our education system, okay.
System is broken and has been, more money isn't the solution.
quote:That's cause private schools don't have "special ed" for one thing; however, it costs 3xs more for everything these days- cars, homes, etc.
It cost us 3xs more to produce an illiterate future convict than it does to put a kid thru private school.
quote:Include something to make parents accountable and/or do like other countries- test after 8th grade and to the workforce if you don't cut it. Quit wasting money on kids that will stay in high school until 19 or 20, for starters.
how do we fix it? If you have no alternative then stfu. What we have doesn't work, 40 years jockeying for 49th place isn't results to model from.
This post was edited on 3/13/13 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 3/13/13 at 9:55 pm to Capt ST
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Obviously a few of you are Ivory Tower types, how do we fix it? If you have no alternative then stfu.
First, I am no "ivory tower" type. Every school I have ever attended was a public school. All in rural Louisiana.
The alternative I would suggest is that instead of appointing a state super intendant under 30 who previously had zero knowledge of the Louisiana school system, our governor appoint someone who has worked in our school system long term. Also, instead of the state deciding how the teachers will be graded, the school board from each parish evaluates standardized testing scores from each of its schools over the last 10 years or so. The school board then decides what the average scores for each school should look like. Thus allowing the parish to grade it's own teachers depending on how the scores from the teachers class compare to the scores over the last decade.
The state should have someone assigned to different areas to over see this and advise the school boards, but the state should not be grading teachers at all schools on the same scale.
I'm not a teacher, have never worked in the school system, and am not claiming to be an expert. Just what I would do if I was the man who had to do the job
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:02 pm to weisertiger
While I agree that a teacher at an inner city school is going to grade lower than one at a magnet or out in the burbs, should that be OK? Is that the best we're willing to accept for kids simply because they're in an inner city school? If so, then what would be the incentive to improve those kids educations?
Would you be so incensed if those teacher were required to simply improve those kids education? Not saying match the high performing schools but show progress over the baseline FAILURE they have thus far shown...
Otherwise, why even bother calling it a school if the teachers don't have a reason to at least attempt to do their job and try to improve the education of those students?
Would you be so incensed if those teacher were required to simply improve those kids education? Not saying match the high performing schools but show progress over the baseline FAILURE they have thus far shown...
Otherwise, why even bother calling it a school if the teachers don't have a reason to at least attempt to do their job and try to improve the education of those students?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:13 pm to faxis
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Would you be so incensed if those teacher were required to simply improve those kids education? Not saying match the high performing schools but show progress over the baseline FAILURE they have thus far shown...
I completely agree with you. I do not think that we should accept the consistent failure at low income schools, nor be content with what we consider are high scores from schools that consistently have them. Teachers should always strive to better the average grade of their classes. No matter how low the average of the school, no matter how high the average of the school.
I just don't think the way teachers are currently evaluated and graded accurately shows who is a "good" or "bad" teacher.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:22 pm to weisertiger
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our governor appoint someone who has worked in our school system long term.
So instead of someone with perhaps the best perspective with no skin in the game, install another puppet that is part of the problem? Bell curve works, sorry our educators are so short sighted that they think the entire lot is beyond firing except those whose ink isn't dry on their diploma. I wish I had that kind of security with such lackluster results.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:22 pm to faxis
quote:Pre-test kids then post test after they've spent a year with said teacher(s). They should show growth.
Would you be so incensed if those teacher were required to simply improve those kids education? Not saying match the high performing schools but show progress over the baseline FAILURE they have thus far shown...
Btw, for a lot of the case, schools don't fail, parents do. My kids would do well ANYWHERE they went to school- believe that.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:23 pm to Capt ST
quote:Great concept. Maybe our next Attorney General should be a welder instead of an attorney.
So instead of someone with perhaps the best perspective with no skin in the game
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