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re: Justice Department will not appeal a Texas ruling that guts key NFA restrictions

Posted on 9/21/26 at 12:21 pm to
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
29262 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 12:21 pm to
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I'm curious as to what would happen if they did challenge the suit and required all suppressors to have NFA paperwork a


Those dealers would lose their license and possibly face other charges.

Until the ATF comes out with new rules, it would be pretty stupid to sell a silencer with only a 4473.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
20298 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 1:22 pm to
Apparently some FFL's have been doing just that and still passed ATF inspection.
Posted by dreingineer
South LA
Member since May 2018
41 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 7:09 pm to
Honestly I didn't even ask LOL. I'll let you know next week though.
Posted by TxWadingFool
Middle Coast
Member since Sep 2014
5858 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 7:32 pm to
There are quite a few dealers doing just that, and they are some of the biggest out there. SS, PSA, Shark Coast, and more.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
24530 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 10:49 pm to
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So building a SBR is ok, if I use a Palmetto state armory lower and I'm a GOA member?



I'm a GOA member in a free state and I converted my SA Saint.

Just to clarify, I'm not dissing the GOA. They've done a lot of the heavy lifting and deserve credit for what's been done.

I'm waiting for the ATF to formally announce that suppressors and SBRs are now in the free and clear, to everyone who can pass a 4473. Ideally suppressors should be dropped to non-regulated muzzle devices, but I don't think that's coming. But it SHOULD be.

GOA membership can be a slippery slope. Do the folks who join after the ruling get the same legal benefits as those already paid up before the ruling? I mean, one could argue that you weren't party to that ruling otherwise. I've seen grandfather clauses before, we all have. And what about those who pay yearly, and let it lapse? Are you now a felon?
And if it's only about GOA members, can the government then demand a list of members (and current status) at some point? If that's the case, you're still "on the list".

Just seems like the way to cleanest legal response is to officially drop suppressors and SBRs from the NFA, and delete any distinction between an SBR and any other firearm (and I dont mean AOW, I mean "it's just a gun now").
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
26003 posts
Posted on 9/22/26 at 8:47 am to
That’s the way it should have always been a gun is a gun no matter what fore grip or stock configuration. Making the same weapon have differing legal status based on a butt stock is stupid especially since braces have been allowed. Handguns are the only truly concealable firearm.
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
57256 posts
Posted on 9/22/26 at 8:53 am to
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Honestly I didn't even ask LOL. I'll let you know next week though.


PSA keeps advertising a CZ457 but it doesn't have a threaded barrel.
Posted by SportTiger1
Member since Feb 2007
30196 posts
Posted on 9/23/26 at 10:39 am to
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Unless you’re in TX I don’t know of any gun stores that are willing to sell a silencer solely on a normal background check.
So be patient and the ATF will have rules out soon that will open things up.
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Posted by flvelo12
Palm Harbor, Florida
Member since Jan 2012
3667 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 8:17 am to
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CZ457 but it doesn't have a threaded barrel.


kinda dumb to not offer, yea yea I know you can change the barrel.
Posted by Soul Gleaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2012
4335 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 8:23 am to
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kinda dumb to not offer, yea yea I know you can change the barrel.


Some models are offered with the threaded barrel.
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
57256 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 8:25 am to
CZ offers a threaded barrel on their 16' tacticool version.
Posted by Soul Gleaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2012
4335 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 9:45 am to
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CZ offers a threaded barrel on their 16' tacticool version.


All of the SR and Varmint model 457’s come with threaded barrels. Here’s my Varmint AT-ONE.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
20298 posts
Posted on 9/24/26 at 1:42 pm to
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Do the folks who join after the ruling get the same legal benefits as those already paid up before the ruling?



The ruling specified current and future members and/or customers of the prevailing parties.

GOA just sent me a nifty membership card with my name and membership number, so no need for a screenshot or print off of my email to prove membership.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
40960 posts
Posted on 9/25/26 at 12:28 am to

ATF Says Suppressor and SBR Guidance Could Arrive Within Weeks


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The ATF will most likely not expand the injunction to a universal level.


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One issue the guidance will address is the transfer of SBRs and SBSs. Currently, although these items are protected under the Silencer Shop Foundation case, an ATF Form 4 is required to transfer them because of the Gun Control Act (GCA) attorney general notification requirement. The guidance will “fix” that carve-out, which seems to imply that SBRs and SBSs can be transferred on a Form 4473 alone.



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AmmoLand asked Director Cekada about guidance for industry operations inspectors (IOIs) on how to handle dealers they find transferring suppressors on a Form 4473 during an inspection. Cekada was adamant that a federal firearms licensee (FFL) found to be transferring suppressors on a Form 4473 will not be cited for violations. Former NFA Chief Albro later echoed this, saying the ATF’s policy is to presume all suppressors transferred via a Form 4473 were legally transferred.



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One interesting topic that was brought up was forced reset triggers (FRTs). Cekada said some FRTs are true FRTs, but some on the market are machine guns, and he declined to name the specific FRTs the ATF thinks might be machine guns. He said the ATF has to look at how the trigger mechanism works but will go by the statutory definition of a machine gun.



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Throughout the meeting, the ATF discussed changes to Form 4473. Those changes are still in progress. Things like the “County” box will be eliminated. According to Lieder, the ATF is making changes to the forms to comply with court rulings such as the Supreme Court’s Hemani case, which invalidated the firearms prohibition on marijuana users. The new Form 4473 will not be out until after the holiday season.
Posted by dreingineer
South LA
Member since May 2018
41 posts
Posted on 10/1/26 at 6:17 am to
Picked up my rifles yesterday. $150 each + $10 for thread protectors.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
54475 posts
Posted on 10/2/26 at 6:26 am to
I always thought the SBR law was the dumbest if all, I mean really?
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
20298 posts
Posted on 10/2/26 at 4:10 pm to
NAGR just posted this:

quote:

The DOJ will NOT appeal the Texas ruling against the NFA.

Solicitor General John Sauer notified Congress on Oct. 1. The injunction blocking NFA registration for suppressors and SBRs STANDS.

Washington's nearly 100-year-old gun control scheme is beginning to crack.
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