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re: Hunting Club - Buck restrictions?

Posted on 10/30/22 at 7:11 pm to
Posted by Outdoorreb
Member since Oct 2019
2634 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 7:11 pm to
I would reach out to a biologist that works for the state. He can get you tags and help you out by looking at the habitat and seeing if you are over populated. This property can hold 1 deer per 7-8 acres, but I wouldn’t want to see it get much more. It could simply be that you and your surrounding areas are over populated. DMAP can allow you (personally) to kill 10+ does or smaller bucks that you legally couldn’t do without DMAP.

Nutrition is going to go to the deer’s body then the horns.
Posted by Shabath227
Member since Jan 2022
413 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 7:18 pm to
People hunt deer for different reasons than waiting 5 years to pull a trigger.


I agree with your statement above, but I think you missed some of my post. I kill 2-3 deer per year. I usually do so by shooting does (large ones preferably) and if I shoot a non mature buck, then I try to shoot the ones with bad genetics.

I personally don’t like shooting a deer, spending the time to clean and process it to only get 20-30 pounds of meat. That’s my preference. I’ve killed 200 pound deer that did not have much on their heads and was pumped. Why? Because that mature buck is a challenge to kill.

Again, that’s just my opinion. I have found that in most areas where you allow younger ones to grow, every one in the neighborhood enjoys hunting more.

Here is a question? If you had a 150 inch, 6 yr old 10 pt standing in the field, and a 2 yr old 4 pt, which one are you shooting?
Posted by Ol boy
Member since Oct 2018
3624 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 7:23 pm to
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I’ve got 600 acres. What should I do?

How many acers do you have in food plots do you have summer plots? A lot of places only plant some oats or winter wheat for kill plots but neglect to have summer plots when the bucks are growing horns.
Horns are the last thing to get nutrition it’s all sent to muscle and fat reserves.
There is a pretty interesting study done by Mississippi state university where they relocated some pine tree red dirt deer and after two years of proper nutrition they almost caught up to delta deer in horn growth.
Posted by Outdoorreb
Member since Oct 2019
2634 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 7:54 pm to
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There is a pretty interesting study done by Mississippi state university where they relocated some pine tree red dirt deer and after two years of proper nutrition they almost caught up to delta deer in horn growth.

I could be wrong, but I believe it was within 2 generations.

I have done a lot this summer by trying to retake overgrown areas that have transitioned out of good brows, and reset them via underbrushing and fall disking(basically took roadways and widened them out to roughly 100’ from 15’ and turned some old food plots that just weren’t producing in the fall) I also have summer plots, but deer can’t live on 1 type of food source. My plan/goal is to have plenty soybeans (90 acres), vetch(20ish) and crimson clover (50ish) Vetch will go in some of the clover in May-June. Plus supplemental feed by protein.

I have mentioned this before, but it isn’t my property and I just manage it to the best of my knowledge/experience and who I bring in as consultants. I have had Bronson, “heard specialists”, Forresters, regional biologist, private lands biologist, “habitat specialists”, every “specialist” you could imagine. They all bring valuable stuff to the table and most are free or take donations to certain organizations. I keep forgetting I signed up to do some research for MSU Deer Lab over the next couple years, and that could change some of the stuff I mentioned earlier in acres.
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11510 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 8:45 pm to
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How many acers do you have in food plots do you have summer plots? A lot of places only plant some oats or winter wheat for kill plots but neglect to have summer plots when the bucks are growing horns. Horns are the last thing to get nutrition it’s all sent to muscle and fat reserves. There is a pretty interesting study done by Mississippi state university where they relocated some pine tree red dirt deer and after two years of proper nutrition they almost caught up to delta deer in horn growth.



Just started the habitat management under my rule. Got kill plots planted and they are about 2-4 acres each. Have three. Next year we will have six and plant after this season for summer food. Millet and other things. I did notice some younger bucks were hungry but that’s because we haven’t logged much and created much browse. They simply ate it all and we had no rain for 45 days.

I only use one gravity feeder and three timer feeders. But to be honest I’d rather not use corn.
Posted by Outdoorreb
Member since Oct 2019
2634 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 8:59 pm to
North of Redwood? Wondering about surrounding ag
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11510 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 9:07 pm to
North of Woodville
Posted by Outdoorreb
Member since Oct 2019
2634 posts
Posted on 10/30/22 at 9:34 pm to
I don’t know much about that area. Looking on Google earth it looks like vast forested areas. I would get a biologist that knows that area to help you out. You don’t have to follow all of his suggestions, but if they match what you are already thinking you will have peace of mind that you are doing the right thing. You can screw something up and it take years and years to get back to square 1.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
6843 posts
Posted on 10/31/22 at 5:15 am to
The best thing you can do on your 600 acres is to get clover going. We planted a couple of small areas in clover and it has spread all over the camp. Our stress period is late winter and clover helps carry them through.
Posted by Sus-Scrofa
Member since Feb 2013
9828 posts
Posted on 10/31/22 at 6:27 am to
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Requirement for killing a buck was that you had to have it professionally mounted. You could shoot a spike, but it had to be mounted.


This is actually pretty clever
Posted by Ol boy
Member since Oct 2018
3624 posts
Posted on 10/31/22 at 6:59 am to
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ust started the habitat management under my rule. Got kill plots planted and they are about 2-4 acres each. Have three. Next year we will have six and plant after this season for summer food. Millet and other things. I did notice some younger bucks were hungry but that’s because we haven’t logged much and created much browse. They simply ate it all and we had no rain for 45 days. I only use one gravity feeder and three timer feeders. But to be honest I’d rather not use corn.

Generally 5-10% of your propertie should be food plots. Corn is a carbohydrate and helps build fat and recover from being run down but don’t do anything for horns.
Frost seed clover in your kill plots this February we have noticed deer utilizing the clover all the way up until the summer burn off.
Keep good records weights and score to know if you’re being effective. Right now our average doe weight is 130# I wish I had started weighing them before we made changes 8yrs ago but I’m guessing they were 110#
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11510 posts
Posted on 10/31/22 at 8:21 am to
We did a ton of clover
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
84442 posts
Posted on 10/31/22 at 8:33 am to
Here's a rule I forgot about and wish my old Wildsville lease had it: you cannot get more than 1 buck past your does. Kill a buck? Fine, but now you must kill a doe before killing your next buck.
Posted by Jim Hopper
Ocean Springs Mississippi
Member since Sep 2019
3723 posts
Posted on 10/31/22 at 11:45 am to
It’s Bow Only for us try to shoot 4 year olds or older, kids shoot can shoot anything (legal state limit of course) as long as it with a bow. We only get 2 weeks of rifle for does harvest management and like many if shoot it you mount if it’s a buck same apply to the youngsters as well.
This post was edited on 10/31/22 at 11:51 am
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
84442 posts
Posted on 10/31/22 at 12:52 pm to
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It’s Bow Only for us try to shoot 4 year olds or older, kids shoot can shoot anything (legal state limit of course) as long as it with a bow. We only get 2 weeks of rifle for does harvest management and like many if shoot it you mount if it’s a buck same apply to the youngsters as well.
I'd love to find something like that.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104483 posts
Posted on 10/31/22 at 3:37 pm to
Look at this fat frick with a small rack we have. Not uncommon for us to have 200 plus pound deer with sub 115” horns



We have 500 plus acres with healthy acorns and pasture plots and almost never see a deer 130” or above. And we don’t shoot small deer
This post was edited on 10/31/22 at 3:38 pm
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11510 posts
Posted on 10/31/22 at 9:57 pm to
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Look at this fat frick with a small rack we have. Not uncommon for us to have 200 plus pound deer with sub 115” horns


You must hunt by me. Lol. Same situation
Posted by Shabath227
Member since Jan 2022
413 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 10:43 am to
Develop quality native habitat and supplement with food plots.

I purchased 218 aces this year. It was 90 percent clear cut 4 yrs ago. I also leased 150 acres from the same family. The lease property is 20+ yr old pines that were thinned 3-4 yrs ago.

I don’t have a buck older than 2.5 yrs old on camera on the lease portion, while my property has 2 bucks 5.5 or older, 2 bucks 4.5 yrs old, 1 buck 3.5 yrs old, and quite a few younger bucks. These are all daily pictures and most at nighttime just after sunset.

I spent 2-3 weekends per month from April through August brush cutting areas that I felt would be good hunting spots. I’ve let those grow back up into native browse. It’s a total of about 15-16 acres. They are full of deer eating and walking through them daily. I also brush cut trails through the property so I could get through it (there was very little for access roads).

I plan to continue to do more of this next year, and we plan to burn about half of it in February/March. My goal is to let it develop it into native grasslands and prairies where that’s it’s natural habitat. I also hope to develop sections of woodland savanna’s where the habitat is best for it.

I reached out to Mississippi Wildlife and Fisheries last year. A biologist came out and road the property with me. He helped in some areas, but it wasn’t quite what I hoped for.

I plan to bring Adam Keith in with Land and Legacy for a consultation. They do a good job and I’ve actually seen there family land. After I found their podcast 3 yrs ago, I realized their family land is 3 miles from my Dads place in southern Missouri. They understand how hard it is to turn bad habitat into really good habitat.

You have to search through there stuff but they have some really good information. I also like to listen to the Mississippi State deer lab podcast and DropTine seed podcast. That guy has some really good information on soil regeneration!

Hope this helps understand my thought process a little.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
76957 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 10:49 am to
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3-4 year old really nice bucks that are protected



You can't ask them for their ID before you shoot.

I'm not sure I could judge between a 4, 5, or 6 year old reliably.
Posted by Sparetime
Lookin down at LA
Member since Sep 2014
972 posts
Posted on 11/1/22 at 11:24 am to
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That’s a problem for me because we have 235lb 12” spread 8 points


Then you definitely need the weight rule and not antler rule. You have a problem if thats the case.
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