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re: HR 391 (Water Access Rights) Passes 5-3 in committee
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:49 pm to HotKoolaid
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:49 pm to HotKoolaid
Probably one of the smartest post.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:54 pm to Dock Holiday
What was the law suit about if not access? Did I miss something?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 9:58 pm to rsoudelier1
I guess until you get your way, the whole world is just wrong and ignorant.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:13 pm to OverboredTgr
My post was me expressing delight in finally knowing which ones of our elected representatives supported or opposed this bill. Having that information helps voters make informed decisions on whom they vote for.
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:28 pm to rsoudelier1
Which is pretty funny... I thought the same thing about the YEA voters
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:32 am to xenon16
The fishermen went full retard on this issue and it will backfire. Now everyone is gonna put up gates. When you go scorched earth, you get it in return. I tried to tell y’all this but muh water.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:42 am to Motorboat
I wouldn't classify trying to gain access to a public resource and right a wrong that we believe was endured by the public as going full retard but to each his own. My stance on this issue is that either the water is a public resource or its not, it can't be public for a certain period of time and private another period of time. History has shown that anytime someone with power was dealt with by attempting to appease them never worked and the person or group in power always continued their expansion of power. This bill if anything bought a very contentious matter to light in the general public and the capital. Having the public get involved in political debate like this has done is a good thing and history has also shown that no great change ever happened quickly or easily.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:43 am to 007mag
There are way more fisherman than there are duck hunters ....
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:44 am to Motorboat
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Now everyone is gonna put up gates.
That will just embolden the fishermen that much more.
I sure am glad I don't go in the marsh to fish except with guides.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:46 am to rsoudelier1
It was more the way the proponents went about it. There was no compromise, lots of name calling and general douchiness coming from a group of fishermen that I actually identify with in almost every other aspect of my life.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:52 am to Motorboat
quote:
It was more the way the proponents went about it. There was no compromise
Serious question:
What would be your suggestions for compromise?
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:52 am to cajunboatman
This debate never should have been duck hunters versus fisherman. The landowners used a scare tactic to set up the duck hunters to fight against fisherman. This debate should be strictly the general public versus big money and landowners to right a wrong that is endured by the general public. Its actually ironic that the average duck hunter in opposition is merely a lease holder or friend of leaseholder being allowed temporarily to enjoy access. Leases get revoked all the time( See Bob's Bayou Black Marina), lease price get raised to a price point the average sportsman can't afford or in some cases employees are laid off and the duck hunter who was in opposition and had access loses his access and may realize he was fighting those who where actually fighting for his rights as well.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:59 am to rsoudelier1
Your stance on stating that a public resource should be accessible no matter where it is is not currently supported by Louisiana law or jurisprudence. A landowners property rights are encompassed within the four corners of the property boundaries. Once a man made canal enters those areas it can be controlled by the property owner.
Lets say you live on a corner lot. For years the neighborhood kids have been cutting their bikes across your lawn to go to the convenient store. Eventually you want to stop them killing your grass so you put up a fence. Now the kids run to the neighborhood association and say that the continued allowance of the cut through has created a public servitude. Its not legal and it is not right. This is still America and Private Property owners have rights. You should reach out to Vladimir putin or Bernie Sanders. They might support your stance.
Lets say you live on a corner lot. For years the neighborhood kids have been cutting their bikes across your lawn to go to the convenient store. Eventually you want to stop them killing your grass so you put up a fence. Now the kids run to the neighborhood association and say that the continued allowance of the cut through has created a public servitude. Its not legal and it is not right. This is still America and Private Property owners have rights. You should reach out to Vladimir putin or Bernie Sanders. They might support your stance.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:07 am to rsoudelier1
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I rather know my enemy than think they are my friend. In campaigns it is easy to lie and ride a fence, today they showed to whom their allegiance is with.
you sound like a gun nut
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:10 am to Profit Island
You are trying to compare apples and oranges, one situation involves a public resource (water) and the other does not. I agree that current law or jurisprudence does not support the proponents of this bill's stance. Like I've stated before just because its the current law does not make it a good law, legislators are human and so are the judges that have given decisions on this matter, both are capable of being corrupted. I used this example in the pass and some did not like it but, for well of a century in this country the law was that blacks and woman could not vote and through much hardship and courage those laws were struck down and this country is better for it. And just for full disclosure, i have voted almost exclusively the republican ticket on all elections I have voted in since I was 18. But that doesn't mean I agree with everything that Donald Trump does or believe in, I am not a single issue voter.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:17 am to redneck
I guess I would ask you to define what a gun nut is. I do own several guns and defend the 2nd amendment; however, I break from some in that I don't have and issue with stricter background checks ( under certain guidelines) for gun purchases, I do not believe in raising the age to 21 to purchase guns ( if you're old enough to enlist in the military than you're old enough to purchase guns). My problem with stricter background checks is that the criteria to deny ownership would need to be a concrete and verifiable and I'm concerned that if mental problems are used to deny ownership then what happens to someone who goes through a rough patch in life and seeks medical care, would that person be permanently barred from owning a weapon?
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:24 am to rsoudelier1
My point is that under the current law it is apples and apples. In both scenarios the law doesn't care if people used to be able to access it. When it enters the boundaries of the owners property the owner can control access as he/she sees fit.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:32 am to pointdog33
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Serious question: What would be your suggestions for compromise? ...
Answer: State creates marsh estuaries in State owned water instead of State take marsh estuaries that are not public domain.
For a compromise there is a dispute that needs to be resolved and each side makes concessions. If the dispute is settled in a court of law, there is no more dispute therefore there is no more need for concessions. There lies the problem, because one side simply ignores the fact that the courts have not ruled in their favor and settled the dispute.
Serious question: What would be your suggestions for compromise? ...
Answer: State creates marsh estuaries in State owned water instead of State take marsh estuaries that are not public domain.
For a compromise there is a dispute that needs to be resolved and each side makes concessions. If the dispute is settled in a court of law, there is no more dispute therefore there is no more need for concessions. There lies the problem, because one side simply ignores the fact that the courts have not ruled in their favor and settled the dispute.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:34 am to Profit Island
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My point is that under the current law it is apples and apples. In both scenarios the law doesn't care if people used to be able to access it.
Your point has been made over and over, and the counter point has been made over and over in here.
Recognize the difference in views, understand that both side have valid points. One side wants things to stay as they currently are and one side wants legit change.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:47 am to Profit Island
The problem I have is when property owners manipulate the natural flow of water so they have enough water to enter their canal for oilfield boats to go to the back of the canal or duck hunters to go from their leased property to a main canal.
In some cases this has caused natural bayous to change course through their canal or damages to neighboring property like mine.
In the spillway some canals with levees around it keep North / South flow of water going North and South. It keeps the water stagnant during the heat of the summer that would normally flow South, and the stagnant water fills natural bayous killing even more fish. The army corps should not allow this.
They have also had one case a lawyer from Lafayette illegally drained a natural waterway in the basin and all he got was a slap on the wrist. The courts and army corps did not make him restore the damage he had done. Too much of this in Louisiana.
I think we as tax payers should not spend 1 penny on coastal restoration. Let the landowners who caused the damage fix the problem or let the gulf take the land. They caused the damage they need to fix the problem not the tax payer.
In some cases this has caused natural bayous to change course through their canal or damages to neighboring property like mine.
In the spillway some canals with levees around it keep North / South flow of water going North and South. It keeps the water stagnant during the heat of the summer that would normally flow South, and the stagnant water fills natural bayous killing even more fish. The army corps should not allow this.
They have also had one case a lawyer from Lafayette illegally drained a natural waterway in the basin and all he got was a slap on the wrist. The courts and army corps did not make him restore the damage he had done. Too much of this in Louisiana.
I think we as tax payers should not spend 1 penny on coastal restoration. Let the landowners who caused the damage fix the problem or let the gulf take the land. They caused the damage they need to fix the problem not the tax payer.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 9:49 am
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