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re: Gun safety question for you baws
Posted on 2/12/21 at 10:54 pm to loopback
Posted on 2/12/21 at 10:54 pm to loopback
quote:you can chamber a round one handed on the edge of a counter, table, anything with a square edge and enough clearance. So a kid with both hands on the grip and using his body weight could rack a gun. Kids are clever...if they’re determined, they’ll find a way.
Chambers a round? My kids physically cannot.
You might say “no way my kids would do that, I taught them better” but kids will be kids, and eventually they all do something we wouldn’t expect them to do. And you obviously don’t trust them 100% because you’re hiding the pistol out of sight, out of reach, and unchambered.
quote:This seems like a big issue too. She’s obviously not comfortable with a loaded gun laying around, so why not compromise a bit. If you want to keep something loaded on top of the fridge, slap a trigger lock or get a small side opening pistol safe.
my wife who refuses to touch a gun
Stupid is harsh, but your decision seems careless and the risk doesn’t outweigh the reward. Best of luck
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Posted on 2/12/21 at 11:12 pm to loopback
About two years ago a 15 yr old girl who was visiting a family in our neighborhood died from an accidental gunshot. This was an outdoor, offroad jeep driving, gun oriented family. They have a 12yr old son who was showing a pistol to the 15yr old girl while their parents were preoccupied visiting. Nobody, except the police, got a lot of details. Mostly to protect the 12yr old. But I can just see 12yr old me doing my damnedest to jack a round in that pistol to show that 15yr old girl how gun savvy I am. Or maybe he handed the gun to her and she tried to imitate what she had seen in movies. Doesn't matter now. That single moment in time cost a young girl her life, her family a lifetime of grief and pain, the boy will never be the same, and his family ended up selling that house. Probably in an attempt to escape the terrible memories.
So the question is not whether it's stupid, but is it worth it. Do you live in a bad neighborhood? Have you been broken into multiple times?
Personally, I'd be on your wife's side on this argument. Oh, and don't bet any money on those boys not knowing that gun is there. When I was that age, I knew where every single one of my dad's guns were and I knew where the ammo was stashed. In fact, he bought me a shotgun one Christmas when I was 10 and he tried to hide it from me. I found it a full two weeks before Christmas. When it came to gun oil, I had a nose like a yellow lab.
So the question is not whether it's stupid, but is it worth it. Do you live in a bad neighborhood? Have you been broken into multiple times?
Personally, I'd be on your wife's side on this argument. Oh, and don't bet any money on those boys not knowing that gun is there. When I was that age, I knew where every single one of my dad's guns were and I knew where the ammo was stashed. In fact, he bought me a shotgun one Christmas when I was 10 and he tried to hide it from me. I found it a full two weeks before Christmas. When it came to gun oil, I had a nose like a yellow lab.
Posted on 2/13/21 at 1:54 am to Chad504boy
quote:I'm pretty close to Chad504Boy om this one.
i deliberately leave a pistol on my kitchen counter routinely with my kids around. they don't even pay attention to it. I would not have it out if friends are over (which is hardly ever).
I may actually be a little more cautious when my boy gets older, not sure you can trust adolescent boys. little frickers.
I don't leave out on kitchen counter as a "test" of the little heathens - I do leave one there when I come in and disarm.
I have 5 grandkids ages 13-17. I have absolutely zero concern about any of them ever picking up one of my weapons to look at or to fiddle with unless they ask me first. But they might have been raised a little different re firearms.
The NRA Eddie Eagle videos are an outstanding tool for little kids (if you can still find one). Kids that are 3-7 love cartoons. Mine would always want the Blue Ray player to load up their favorite DVDs - and I was happy to do so
(I learned a lot about The Wiggles, Toy Story + sequels and Cars movies + sequels --- and about 50 more. But our "deal" was, they could watch any movie after they watched Eddie Eagle and after they could tell me what Eddie Eagle tells kid about guns (Stop, Don't Touch. Leave the Area, Tell an Adult
When they got old enough to shoot (.22 LR S&W AR) they had to be able to recite (not word for word) the 4 Universal Safety Rules (NOT 10 COMMANDMENTs) and tell me what each rule means. e did this on the way to the range.
None of these kids is curious about guns - any more than they are curious about scissors or knives. Obviously we locked up guns when they were too little to be responsible, and none has friends at our house (That's a huge element right there).
Bottom lime, you have to do your part to educate then, you gotta do your part to evaluate their ability to exercise good judgment, and you have to watch/monitor them carefully through the process.
Every kid is different.
Just my $0.02 worth
Posted on 2/13/21 at 5:45 am to dawg23
Honestly, nobody can answer the question you’re asking because we don’t have a floor plan for your house, don’t know your kids demeanor, and don’t know their physical abilities.
But the question that you have failed to answer when others have asked is why? Why do you need one laying on top of the fridge? Why could it not be in a cheap biometric safe somewhere where it could be loaded? The time you would need to rack the slide could be the same as reading your fingerprints and grabbing the gun.
OP, you have come off as a massive douche in this thread. You asked questions, there was lots of conjecture, much of which you brush off or don’t like. Then you proceed to lash out at other posters.
As Forrest Gump once said, stupid is as stupid does, maybe your wife knows you pretty well.
But the question that you have failed to answer when others have asked is why? Why do you need one laying on top of the fridge? Why could it not be in a cheap biometric safe somewhere where it could be loaded? The time you would need to rack the slide could be the same as reading your fingerprints and grabbing the gun.
OP, you have come off as a massive douche in this thread. You asked questions, there was lots of conjecture, much of which you brush off or don’t like. Then you proceed to lash out at other posters.
As Forrest Gump once said, stupid is as stupid does, maybe your wife knows you pretty well.
Posted on 2/13/21 at 5:59 am to TaderSalad
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At those ages, I'd be worried about them telling one of their friends...
You're much more likely to have neighbors in your house than intruders.
I think conceptually you are correct, but practically I'm going to side with your wife's ideas about safety.
Posted on 2/13/21 at 7:29 am to Lonnie Utah
My kids have always been allow to handle any gun as long as they asked me 1st.
Then, as they got a little older they could handle them as long as the asked me and cleared the gun.
They are 14 and 16 now and they know they can get any gun and clear it 1st prior to doing anything else with it. They have been going with me to the range since they were young.
My son keeps several of his guns in his room. When his friends come over I’ve heard him sternly giving them gun safety instructions and n his room.
I think having them accessible to them takes the mystic away that some people have with them.
To the OP, I don’t know the answer because every kid is different.
Then, as they got a little older they could handle them as long as the asked me and cleared the gun.
They are 14 and 16 now and they know they can get any gun and clear it 1st prior to doing anything else with it. They have been going with me to the range since they were young.
My son keeps several of his guns in his room. When his friends come over I’ve heard him sternly giving them gun safety instructions and n his room.
I think having them accessible to them takes the mystic away that some people have with them.
To the OP, I don’t know the answer because every kid is different.
Posted on 2/13/21 at 11:18 am to REB BEER
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Of course times have changed and we lived way out in the country, but I want my kids to feel the same sort of trust that we did.
Even for those of us growing up in the city locking up guns is a relatively recent concept. Our house, many of my friends houses had a own gun rack with the family firearms, everyone’s dad had a pistol in the nightstand.
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