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re: Guide Boat Capsized on Toledo without a licensed captain
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:49 am to MarshMan
Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:49 am to MarshMan
I don't know Toledo Bend or that area, but most lakes when the storms pick up you can pop into a cove or other protected area from the wind. Was there nothing like this around? Sounds like the bite was hot and they didn't want to leave until it was too late?
I can see if its raining with hard winds people going into a cabin, that rain can sting like that. Terrible situation but that's a tragedy the guide should have avoided most likely.
I can see if its raining with hard winds people going into a cabin, that rain can sting like that. Terrible situation but that's a tragedy the guide should have avoided most likely.
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Posted on 5/31/24 at 9:57 am to lctiger
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Story I heard was that the boat was going into the wind went over a wave and came down with front of boat submerging into next wave. The front popped up like a cork as another wave came and lifted the front high enough that wind caught the boat flipping it over backwards. The 4 survivors were able to swim to an island that was very close to them.
Unfortunate but you are likely right. I've been there but never tipped. When a pontoon boat gets water in it then it changes the weight dramatically from one side to the other as the water moves to center the weight of the boat.
I've been on a guys with all grown men fishing trip with our idiot friend driving the boat and he kept taking it from full forward to full neutral and the bow slammed into the water, causing a rush of water from the front to the back. This boat had an open door in the back so it all went out the back. But if you had an enclosed back and people on the boat panicked I can absolutely see the weight shifting to the starboard or port side completely and it tipping over.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 12:35 pm to jorconalx
quote:yet you are taking up for the guy who said the blanket comment. dont get your panties in a wad.
My statement wasn’t the blanket one dipshit
Posted on 5/31/24 at 12:36 pm to lctiger
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My guess as to why Toledo is more dangerous than other lakes is that you have to follow boat lanes due to stumps. This limits your ability to navigate rough waters because you can’t change your direction based on the direction of the waves.
Makes sense. I got caught on Ross Barnett in a rough storm once on 4th of July and the north end near the mouth of the river has those lanes. It’s dicey when dozens of boats are rushing to get out of there. Thankfully I have a deep V speedboat that’s 25 ft long so it handles rough water well. And I know what I’m doing, my friends demand I drive the boat when out on the water no matter whose boat it is because they say they feel safest with me navigating
Posted on 5/31/24 at 12:44 pm to Toledo
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The barge that capsized had a large metal enclosure built onto the back of it along with a window unit and I assume generator. I had always noticed how rear end overloaded they appeared. Squatting badly from all the crap piled on the back. My speculation is the rear end was overtaken by a following sea as they were traveling with the wind, back towards the marina. A party barge is typically pretty seaworthy but the excess weight, up high and in the back, probably contributed to it flipping over. The two that died were recovered quickly so that tells me they had life jackets on but were stuck inside the enclosure.
Now it makes sense. And I bet you the passengers were all towards the back adding to uneven weight distribution. Probably crested a wave and wind caught the front and water came over the stern making it flip.
An important bit when navigating rough water is weight distribution. Can’t have too much in front or you’ll plow into waves causing you to take on water, can’t have too much in rear or you risk water coming over the stern or backwashing into your exhaust causing a stall when you decelerate. Too much to one side you’ll flip if you hit a wave wrong.
I prefer slight more weight in back than the front, with nobody in the very front of the bow. Mostly sit center of boat with a little towards the stern, even weight on both sides. I’ve hurt girls feelings before making them move seats to even out the weight
Posted on 5/31/24 at 12:47 pm to deltaland
I'm waiting for the survivors tale's.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 2:18 pm to CarRamrod
You said I made a blanket statement once corrected you said I was taking up for the guy who made it. You’re 0 for 2. I pointed out that the boat in your gif is not what they run for perch charters. I hope your offspring isn’t as stupid as you are.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 4:06 pm to jorconalx
Cruising out to the duck blind in a toon with lumber, tools, and the like to work on the blind.. Driver hat blows off, he shuts it down to turn around and the nose dipped under water and lost some old tools but saved the chain saw. Opened my eyes for sure.
Posted on 5/31/24 at 6:50 pm to VernonPLSUfan
Once you overload those boats and the pontoon goes under, or close to it, it’s game over. Plus those boat lanes force you to take tracks you would otherwise avoid. Hell, I’ve been caught in a cat offshore and running trough can get squirrelly when you end up straddling a large wave.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:41 pm to jorconalx
quote:yea you are replying to me when im talking with someone else. Why did you do that?
You said I made a blanket statement once corrected
quote:you did. my statement still is correct. There are plenty of fast pontoon boats.
[quote]you said I was taking up for the guy who made it.
quote:so what?
I pointed out that the boat in your gif is not what they run for perch charters.
quote:my 5yo could take you.
I hope your offspring isn’t as stupid as you are.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:11 pm to CarRamrod
Family member of survivors made a post today with her parents recap of story. Coworkers were talking about it. Sounds like all but captain were in cabin when it flipped. Everything went dark. Man was trying to hold cabin door open but was a struggle. He got out. His wife’s life jacket got caught on something in the cabin. She was able to get a breath from a pocket and then got loose and made it out. Other survivor was husband and step dad to the two that drowned. Sounds like everything went black once it flipped. Also said a water spout came by creating what they described as 8 plus foot waves causing the flip. Her post was on social media. Said they’ve been 30 years plus on the lake.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:21 pm to lctiger
Looks like I have a few mutual friends w them.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:03 pm to Clyde Tipton
I had buddies out with LTD that day, it wasn’t one of theirs.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:23 pm to KemoSabe65
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And they are calling the coast guard into investigate?
That's a federally-managed lake, so this isn't surprising.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 5:10 am to Jester
??, SRA is Fed?
CG is going to rip the guide a new one.
CG is going to rip the guide a new one.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:57 am to lctiger
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Family member of survivors made a post today with her parents recap of story.
Can you post the recap? Thanks.
Also, this thread title should be taken out back and shot.. come on, Kemo!
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:46 am to ChasinTails
Posted on 6/5/24 at 2:48 pm to Ron Cheramie
She bout dat alphabet peeps and drama.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:08 pm to KemoSabe65
Never seen a waterspout in fresh water, but I'm sure it happens. And I've never seen 8' waves either unless you are talking about surfing waves. Been in some hairy shite fishing and duck hunting, never anything like that.
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