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re: Glock vs. The World official handgun arguing thread
Posted on 6/26/12 at 11:30 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 6/26/12 at 11:30 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Also, something lots of people don't realize is that glocks are semi auto pistols. If you jam it into somebody's gut and pull the trigger, it won't cycle. If somebody is holding the slide and you pull the trigger, it will not cycle. Sure, it will cycle after being frozen in a pile of dog shite for 2 months, but if somebody is fighting to take the gun from you than you may only get one shot. That's what happened in those clips I keep talking about, and I'm sure that accounts for most glock jams in SD situations. Not a knock against glocks, just something that some people don't think about when they buy it.
That's legitimate. But like you said, that's because they're semi auto, not because they're glocks.
As for what can take the most abuse and still work, don't sell the wheel guns short. When the Seals tested them the only thing that performed better was the SW Mod 10.
Glocks are just a tool like any other pistol. You've got a preference for external safeties. Some people have a preference for craftsman over snap-on. Doesn't really play into which one is better. It's emotional attachment. Ain't nothing wrong with that. I have an unreasonable love for the Ruger Mark II. It's not winning any reliability tests ever. But I'd rather shoot it than damn near anything.
But for self defense, it's pretty fricking important that you know it's going to shoot every last time you pull the trigger. And Glock owns that.
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 11:33 pm
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 11:55 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
As far as putting it into someones gut and not being able to fire.
I can do that with my Glock. If its one of those type situations. Just have to apply pressure to the back of he slide with your thumb or off hand before pulling the trigger.
Now don't try this if you haven't received proper instruction cuz you can hurt yourself. And I know plenty will come on here and say I would lose a finger or chunk of my hand which is what would have thought.
I have done it successfully and with little effort. The only kicker is that by holding the slide forward the weapon will not chamber another round after the first shot.
I can do that with my Glock. If its one of those type situations. Just have to apply pressure to the back of he slide with your thumb or off hand before pulling the trigger.
Now don't try this if you haven't received proper instruction cuz you can hurt yourself. And I know plenty will come on here and say I would lose a finger or chunk of my hand which is what would have thought.
I have done it successfully and with little effort. The only kicker is that by holding the slide forward the weapon will not chamber another round after the first shot.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 4:58 am to Carson123987
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Too bulky
Posted on 6/27/12 at 5:45 am to Who Me
quote:
The only kicker is that by holding the slide forward the weapon will not chamber another round after the first shot.
That's what I meant to say. I know it can fire, it just can't cycle. Not really a negative though since no semi auto that I know of will cycle.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 5:49 am to AlxTgr
2012
Posted on 6/27/12 at 9:04 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
This is a comparison of my Glock 22 and HK USP, both .40.
"Too bulky" The Glock is actually slightly slimmer (in width) in comparison, due in part to the lack of external safety/decocker that the HK has. Spec sheets show the Glock's frame is 2mm thinner.
The Glock has a molded and contoured grip that is very comfortable. The HK has a checked grip and is noticeably thicker.
You see a big difference when you hold them side by side. The action on the Glock is on a much lower profile than the HK. To me (whether accurate or not) it seems to give the Glock a more natural point of aim than the HK, which sits higher up in your grip.
One big difference that has been discussed ad nauseam is the external safety. The HK's is not just a safety but also a decocker, which is cool but I'm not sure why.
The Glock is slightly lighter (23 oz. vs. 28).
Big fail for Glock is the shitty slide release lever, which can be hard to manipulate. I bought an aftermarket replacement (about $30) that is bigger and easier to use and was easy to install myself. The HK's release is big and easy to use.
The HK probably has a lot of awesome internal components that may give it an edge, for example a "special patented recoil reduction system" and other such shite. But I don't feel competent to address in detail.
The HK looks cooler and cost much more. The Glock feels better both in grip and when bringing on target. HK's recoil feels better, but probably not noticeably so in comparison to a casual shooter.
Conclusion: I like my HK more but I think the Glock may be better overall, but a lot of this is subjective.
However, the Glock is NOT bulky or awkward in the hand like some have said. Quite the opposite.
"Too bulky" The Glock is actually slightly slimmer (in width) in comparison, due in part to the lack of external safety/decocker that the HK has. Spec sheets show the Glock's frame is 2mm thinner.
The Glock has a molded and contoured grip that is very comfortable. The HK has a checked grip and is noticeably thicker.
You see a big difference when you hold them side by side. The action on the Glock is on a much lower profile than the HK. To me (whether accurate or not) it seems to give the Glock a more natural point of aim than the HK, which sits higher up in your grip.
One big difference that has been discussed ad nauseam is the external safety. The HK's is not just a safety but also a decocker, which is cool but I'm not sure why.
The Glock is slightly lighter (23 oz. vs. 28).
Big fail for Glock is the shitty slide release lever, which can be hard to manipulate. I bought an aftermarket replacement (about $30) that is bigger and easier to use and was easy to install myself. The HK's release is big and easy to use.
The HK probably has a lot of awesome internal components that may give it an edge, for example a "special patented recoil reduction system" and other such shite. But I don't feel competent to address in detail.
The HK looks cooler and cost much more. The Glock feels better both in grip and when bringing on target. HK's recoil feels better, but probably not noticeably so in comparison to a casual shooter.
Conclusion: I like my HK more but I think the Glock may be better overall, but a lot of this is subjective.
However, the Glock is NOT bulky or awkward in the hand like some have said. Quite the opposite.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 9:22 am to USMCTiger03
USMCTiger03:
Good post of objective and knowledgeable compilation of info. (Very little of that on this site lately.)
Both the HK and the Glock are reliable self-defense weapons (as are some S&W pistols). They are issued by numerous LE agencies, which should be a guide for those looking for a self-defense weapon. (One rarely, if ever, sees a major agency issuing Taurus, XD, Rossi, Kel-Tec, et al).
p.s. Glock makes an extended slide release lever (technically called "slide stop lever) that I like better than most of the aftermarket versions. It's standard on some models, and is an easy (3 minute) swap on guns that don't come with it.
Good post of objective and knowledgeable compilation of info. (Very little of that on this site lately.)
Both the HK and the Glock are reliable self-defense weapons (as are some S&W pistols). They are issued by numerous LE agencies, which should be a guide for those looking for a self-defense weapon. (One rarely, if ever, sees a major agency issuing Taurus, XD, Rossi, Kel-Tec, et al).
p.s. Glock makes an extended slide release lever (technically called "slide stop lever) that I like better than most of the aftermarket versions. It's standard on some models, and is an easy (3 minute) swap on guns that don't come with it.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 9:27 am to USMCTiger03
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USMCTiger03
Can you post a pic of your Glock with the slide release mechanism you replaced?
Posted on 6/27/12 at 9:33 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I disagree, I think Donkey Kong is the best handgun ever ma-....wait a sec...
Posted on 6/27/12 at 9:39 am to USMCTiger03
quote:The hammer/action.
which is cool but I'm not sure why.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 10:11 am to mikeytig
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Can you post a pic of your Glock with the slide release mechanism you replaced?
Posted on 6/27/12 at 10:48 am to USMCTiger03
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The Glock has a molded and contoured grip
True
quote:
that is very comfortable.
Not true
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:09 pm to Jester
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:13 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Glock doesn't fit my hand like my Sig P250.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:48 pm to michaelb1100
People that complain about how big the grip is on the glock must have small hands because I added a Hogue slip on to mine and it's perfect.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 2:08 pm to Glock17
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LawMan
me likey
Posted on 6/27/12 at 6:36 pm to Glock17
That's it.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 6:41 pm to USMCTiger03
I'll have to keep that in mind incase I ever get one. I hate the slide release on a glock.
Posted on 6/27/12 at 8:30 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Yes sucks but cheap and easy fix. I should also mention the number and variety of Glock approved add-ons is impressive.
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