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re: For those of you who have actually hunted whitetail with it… is a 300 Win Mag too much?
Posted on 9/19/24 at 1:14 pm to Milticket
Posted on 9/19/24 at 1:14 pm to Milticket
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is a 300 Win Mag too much?
It really is. I bought a Ruger M77 MkII in .300 WM 30 years ago and shot 3 deer with it and hung it up. Only time I handle it is to wipe it down once a year.
.308 or 45/70 single shot for me,
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 1:17 pm
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 1:17 pm to Tigerinthewoods
300WM and 7Mag are only needed for 500+ yd Elk shots. They are way, way, way to much gun for souther deer Hunts where the furthest shot is 250 yds.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 1:37 pm to Tigerinthewoods
How is the .300 to much but not the 45/70?
Posted on 9/19/24 at 1:49 pm to AP83
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How is the .300 to much but not the 45/70?
Velocity for a 45-70 is ~2000fps velocity for a 300wm is about 3000fps there is no comparison to the wound channels.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 1:51 pm to Jack Ruby
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300WM and 7Mag are only needed for 500+ yd Elk shots. They are way, way, way to much gun for souther deer Hunts where the furthest shot is 250 yds.
I don’t shoot either calibers, but I do shoot a 28 nosler which is a 7mm on steroids, and I disagree that it’s “too much gun”. I’ve killed deer with it from 8-10 yards, out to 400 yards and it’s all the same. I used to shoot deer through the shoulders with my 243 when I was a kid so they wouldn’t run because my uncle didn’t feel like tracking them, and even the 243 ruined shoulder meat. It’s inevitable if you hit the shoulder with a rifle.
To the OP, if it’s going to be your only rifle for now, I would consider a crack barrel 35 whelen so you can use it in primitive season also. I shoot the TC encore and love it, but there are cheaper options also, depending on your budget.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:02 pm to AP83
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How is the .300 to much but not the 45/70?
300 WM 3000 fps
45/70 1850fps
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:07 pm to Tigerinthewoods
What he means is that the recoil is comparable between the two, which it is. The velocity of the bullet is only part of the story. That mkII of yours may be a pencil barrel that isn’t doing it any favors, but in general the two rounds kick about the same.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:10 pm to Milticket
I cannot imagine putting up with the recoil of a 300 mag for whitetail when calibers that kick like a 16 gauge will do.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:14 pm to Jack Ruby
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way to much gun for souther deer Hunts where the furthest shot is 250 yds.
This old trope needs to be laid to rest. I can shoot 1000+ yards on multiple places on my lease if I cared to do so. Every property I’ve ever routinely hunted in the south has had a power/pipe line or clearcut that made this possible. Doesn’t make it smart without practice and the right equipment, but that’s just as true out west.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:21 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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What he means is that the recoil is comparable between the two, which it is. The velocity of the bullet is only part of the story. That mkII of yours may be a pencil barrel that isn’t doing it any favors, but in general the two rounds kick about the same.
My M77 is a wood stocked gun and weighs in at about 9lbs so it mitigates recoil quite a bit. My Henry single shot is significantly lighter and I shoot custom 300 grain bullets out of it. Still, the felt recoil to me is far less than the .300 with a 180 grain bullet. I think the burn rate in the powder in the 45/70 is much slower, resulting in more of a push than a punch like the .300.
I have shot many deer with my .45/70s and honestly have little to complain about with respect to recoil or meat damage.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:28 pm to Tigerinthewoods
Recoil is a subjective thing and there are a dozen factors at play. You mentioned burn rate and rifle weight but stock design is a big one as well, and those rugers (I own three) are dogs. That said, on paper, the free recoil energy and recoil velocity of the two are almost identical.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:34 pm to Milticket
quote:Is this your first hunting rifle?
I am a new hunter… and I like the power potential, but don’t want to ruin meat.
Is it a bad idea?
And are you planning on doing any other hunting with it besides whitetail deer?
The 300WM is probably the most versatile caliber you can buy, but ammo is more expensive and not as available as some others. It can basically kill any game animal in North America short of a massive brown bear. Most people who use it for whitetail hunting probably use the lighter grain, flatter shooting bullets. Shot placement is everything.
All that being said, if you’re just whitetail hunting, the 30-06 or .308 is probably your best bet. Cheaper and more available ammo, less recoil and a wider range of available guns for sale, even used.
This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 9/19/24 at 2:51 pm to Ol boy
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For a new shooter hunting whitetails 0-500yd a 308 or 6.5 creedmore
That ol 6.5 creedmore is also good for a new hunter to teach them about shot placement and tracking deer 500 yards.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:03 pm to Milticket
Just an fyi. I lived in Wyoming for awhile back in the 90's. Back then the most popular all around caliber for everything from elk, to mule deer to antelope was a 270. They used it for everything.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:24 pm to bhtigerfan
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:26 pm to Milticket
I got a 300 win mag a few decades ago bc I only wanted to have to have one rifle for big game, and still to this day I use although I don’t big game hunt as much as I once did.
But I’ve killed everything from black tail to Alaskan moose with my 300mag. Those saying it’s too much for white tail, most modern rifle calibers could be considered “too much”
But I’ve killed everything from black tail to Alaskan moose with my 300mag. Those saying it’s too much for white tail, most modern rifle calibers could be considered “too much”
Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:28 pm to Ol boy
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there is no comparison to the wound channels.
I don’t know about all that. This is from a 45/70 lol
Posted on 9/19/24 at 4:29 pm to Milticket
My Christensen Arms modern sporting rifle in 300 win mag kicks like a 22 due to the muzzle break on it.
Very accurate, very loud. I've shot red stag and whitetails with it. Correct bullet and shot placement and you'll have no more damage than anything else.
Very accurate, very loud. I've shot red stag and whitetails with it. Correct bullet and shot placement and you'll have no more damage than anything else.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 4:30 pm to Milticket
I own one (Weatherby Mark V Accumark shooting 180 grain Fusion) and use it to hunt a pipeline ROW in South LA. Mainly because it has a better scope, but it also carries around 50% more energy at 300 yards than my 308 (Tikka CTR shooting 165 Federal SGK), and I'm not a fan of tracking deer. I have only shot one buck with it, and I got a bang-flop at 340 yards on a shot slightly quartering towards me. The shot entered high shoulder and exited in front of opposite hip, so there was really no damage to the meat (and somehow didn't bust the guts).
I do agree with others that say it is not necessary for whitetail as it is looooong and not very easy to maneuver in a box stand, heavy, and has pretty stout recoil.
But the downrange energy is nice. It 's pretty convenient when you take those late shots near the end of shooting hours and get blinded by the muzzle flash to get back in the scope and see your trophy laying right where he stood.
I do agree with others that say it is not necessary for whitetail as it is looooong and not very easy to maneuver in a box stand, heavy, and has pretty stout recoil.
But the downrange energy is nice. It 's pretty convenient when you take those late shots near the end of shooting hours and get blinded by the muzzle flash to get back in the scope and see your trophy laying right where he stood.
Posted on 9/19/24 at 4:36 pm to Tigerinthewoods
Have you compared the bullet size, in grains, of 300 wsm and 45-70?
I swear yall just make up shite to sound experienced.
I swear yall just make up shite to sound experienced.
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