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Fly rod/gear recs?

Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:06 pm
Posted by LSUFAN227
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
458 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:06 pm
Hope everyone had a better duck season than I did. On to better things! Here asking if anyone has any good recommendations on some beginner fly gear (rod/reel/etc).

I'm heading to Montana later this year for vacation and we are staying on a river, so I want to bring my own stuff, and fish as much as I can. Also, I want to get it before, so that I can practice some. I've done it before, but its been about 10 years or so.

I'm looking for a good beginner set up. Quality, but still relatively inexpensive (unsure how often I will be able to use it after the trip). I got on Orvis' website earlier and saw rods anywhere from $150(on sale) all the way up to $1000. No clue where to start. Any advice is much appreciated! thanks
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11888 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 5:34 pm to
My boss is a big time fly fisherman and he’s a really big fan of Orvis. He said their deals are good and the staff is very helpful. Highly recommended.
Posted by stickly
Asheville, NC
Member since Nov 2012
2338 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 6:42 pm to
I would get a 5wt TFO rod and a Lamason reel. Good gear that’s not trash.
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16550 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 6:52 pm to
Check EBay!

I have an Orvis Rocky Mountain Large Arbor 3/4 if you would like to put it to use --> thesaskwatchtd@gmail.com
Posted by gamatt53
Member since Nov 2010
4934 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 7:19 pm to
quote:

I would get a 5wt TFO rod and a Lamason reel. Good gear that’s not trash.


I would do a 6wt to battle the western winds plus you can use it for bass. Lamson and TFO are both really good quality to value brands. I suggest checking out Echo as well.
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 7:22 pm
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
23920 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:13 pm to
quote:

I would do a 6wt to battle the western winds plus you can use it for bass.


I live out west, fish a fair amount and this is what I'd recommend.
Posted by runningdog
Dawg Nation
Member since Jan 2011
798 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:16 pm to
I vote for a five weight. The Douglas DXF 9 foot, five weight is an excellent choice (350~). I recommend a Ross Colorado (300~) reel or the less expensive Ross Animas (190~ on sale now) reel. Line should be 70-90, or so.

I would shop eBay for a gently used set up. A six weight is a nice all around rig, but I prefer a five weight. I wade fish. If you plan on fishing out of a boat most of the time, you might consider a six weight.

I’m not an Orvis guy, but the Orvis Recon (425~) is supposed to be a nice rod. Again I would buy a 9 foot rod. A gently used Galvan Rush 4 (260~ new) reel would be a nice option as well. The Rush for the money may be the equal of just about anything on the market. I prefer a Ross reel because I’ve owned various Ross reels for 30+ years and have had no problems, ever. I gave my dad a couple of Lamson reels a while back. He liked them.

The above are quality rods and reels. Maybe not the most expensive rods or reels, but good quality with excellent reputations.
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 8:18 pm
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
5592 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 9:27 pm to
What river are you staying on?
Posted by gamatt53
Member since Nov 2010
4934 posts
Posted on 2/1/19 at 10:18 pm to
There is absolutely no need spend more than 200 bucks on a fly rod as a beginner and when trout fishing basically any reel by a reputable company will have a quality enough drag to subdue a trout.

It’s like golf. When you are beginning it doesn’t matter what your clubs are just get the muscle memory down. After you know what you are doing and can break 100 then yea maybe spend a bit on a mid price set. If you can break 80 then sure splurge on the pricey custom fitted blades and Scotty Cameron.

Just know that the equipment is about the least important part of fly fishing for trout. The guys with the most expensive shite on the river are usually trying to impress other anglers not the fish. Hell I regularly fish with cheaper/older gear for the sake of nastalgia and catch just us many fish as with my pricey gear.
This post was edited on 2/1/19 at 10:26 pm
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
23920 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 6:38 am to
quote:


I vote for a five weight. The Douglas DXF 9 foot, five weight is an excellent choice (350~). I recommend a Ross Colorado (300~) reel or the less expensive Ross Animas (190~ on sale now) reel. Line should be 70-90, or so.


WAY too expensive for a Beginner setup. Come on man, give practical advice. (And I am not saying the above are bad suggestions. They just aren't practical for a beginner.) I am of the same mindset of Gamatt53....

quote:

There is absolutely no need spend more than 200 bucks on a fly rod as a beginner and when trout fishing basically any reel by a reputable company will have a quality enough drag to subdue a trout.


And to the OP, trust me. I've lived out here and fished big western rives on a regular basis for almost 20 years now. Get a 6wt. I've fished the Green, the San Juan, the Madison, Henrys Fork, the Fire hole and have spent way too much time on the Provo (they're all within driving distance for me.). For throwing nymph rigs, streamers, big terestrials or fighting the wind (and the wind ALWAYS blows out here), you'll appreciate the extra umph, the 6wt will gives you. You'll give up a little bit in small fly presentation, but how often will you do that? FWIW, I fished size 20 midge dries yesterday on my 6wt in moderate wind. (and it was 27 degrees when I got to the river). My presentation wasn't the issue, it was seeing the flies.

I think the Echo and TFO suggestions are excellent ones (I'd give a slight nod to the echo, because not all TFO rods come with a case), and should put you in a rod for 1/2 of what the above poster suggested.

And lets get down to brass tacks. The biggest differences between most fly rods these days is the fit and finish of the rods. Almost all of them are vastly superior to the first graphite rod I owned 30 years ago. Yes, as you go up in price the modulus of the graphite gets denser and the swing rate and flex patterns change, but as a beginner, this is something the OP won't like be able to distinguish at this stage in their career. The same thing applies to reels.

I've posted both of these videos before, but you should watch these videos by Kelly Galloup

How to pick a fly reel by Kelly Galloup

How to test a fly rod by Kelly Galloup

And much more important that what you're holding in your hand is what you're wearing on your feet. A good/decent pair of waders and wading boots will make your experience much more enjoyable than what ever rod you're holding in your hand.
This post was edited on 2/2/19 at 8:53 am
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
23920 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 9:00 am to
After doing a little research, the Orvis Clearwater comes highly recommend. Complete combo, minus case, for $250ish.

LINK
This post was edited on 2/2/19 at 9:05 am
Posted by Fishwater
Carcosa
Member since Aug 2010
5829 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 9:04 am to
TFO rod
Ross reel

Posted by southside
SW of Monroe
Member since Aug 2018
583 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 12:21 pm to
There are 2 Orvis Options that fit your request. The Orvis Clearwater or The Orvis Encounter. Both are full combos(rod,reel,line)that are beginner level with a fast action and good price. They are nearly identical on specs and quality BUT the Clearwater carries the Orvis guarantee, the Encounter DOES NOT.

A 9-5 fly rod is the Montana state flag, will cover anything in that state. You could go higher or lower and probably not notice a difference as a newbie.

I fished the 9-5 Encounter for a year, on about a dozen trips and noticed some stress fractures around the connection joints, which happens with a lot of rods, of all levels, it would be nice to have the guarantee to return it when broken.I fought Big Oregon Browns pushing 25" with it and had no issues.

I'll be up in Montana mid-August, fishing for a week or so, I love it there.
This post was edited on 2/2/19 at 12:25 pm
Posted by tigers33
Mountains
Member since Oct 2007
710 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 5:43 pm to
If you get the Clearwater package, which is a good deal for a beginner, you can upgrade your rod through Orvis for a fraction of the new rod’s price.

So if you really fall in love with fly fishing, you can get a new Recon down the line for $225, I think. Or take it up a notch and get the H3 for around $375-$400. Those rods retail at $425 and $875 give or take a little.

I would buy a nicer line than what come with the Clearwater package. I do not believe you can upgrade buying the Encounter. I’m not sure if they advertise the upgrade but I hve personally done it twice. Usually is done when you break the rod, and send it in for repair, which will happen.

Can’t go wrong with TFO either.
Posted by tigers33
Mountains
Member since Oct 2007
710 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 5:51 pm to
Also, I live in Wyoming and have for the last 10 years. I fish 4 wt thru 7. Have multiple 5s and 6 weights. For an all around rod I recommend getting a 6.

Yes there are situations that you would like to throw a five, but more times than not you will want the 6 weight. Dealing with wind, hopper dropper rigs, nymph rigs with an indicator all will be easier, especially for a beginner with a 6.
Posted by AubieALUMdvm
Member since Oct 2011
11713 posts
Posted on 2/2/19 at 10:56 pm to
He asked for a beginner set up and you recommended $800 set up. I’d be very happy to throw a Douglas (been shopping them lately) but no way in hell would a beginner need All of that

I have been at this for 10 years now and I still do not own a rod that cost more than $300. And reels? Lol. Unless I’m going for saltwater, steelhead, or salmon no way am I buying a $300 reel. It holds line for trout and that’s about it.



Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
5592 posts
Posted on 2/3/19 at 9:07 am to
Tigers33, I love Wyoming, but do you mind turning the wind off the next time visit?
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
23920 posts
Posted on 2/3/19 at 3:07 pm to
A couple years old, but good info.

2016 6wt shootout....
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
23920 posts
Posted on 2/3/19 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

Also, I live in Wyoming and have for the last 10 years.


Up by Yellowstone, down by Ham's fork and the Upper Green or over by Casper and the North Platte?
Posted by Citica8
Duckroost, LA
Member since Dec 2012
3665 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 7:42 am to
I'm at the beginners stages of getting into fly fishing, last year I went and talked with the guys at Orvis and they gave me a lot of useful info, they also do a class on Saturday mornings at some point if you're near one.


The gist of what I was told was:

3wt set up for pan fish (think ultra light)
5wt set up for trout and smaller bass (medium to light)
8wt set up for big bass and redfish (heavy to medium heavy)


The rod is much more important than the reel.
Orvis's beginners combo has a really good rod, but a pretty terrible reel.
Cabelas had a beginners combo with a RLS+ reel, which I'm told is a good reel, but the rod is bad, this is the combo I went with (RIP Bargain Cave )

You won't know the difference in good and bad until you get into more expensive stuff though
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