re: Dudley vs Ranch Fairy

I think his ideas are generally all positive and it goes off the rails when people get crazy with FOC or weight.

No one loses having a strong sharp head. Sharper is better, no doubt.

The weight thing is complicated. When you go up in weight, your bow gets quieter, your arrow is slower and more stable, and it’s far easier to make a fixed head fly at lower speeds. There aren’t many adult male 70 pound bow setups that will shoot a laser south of 400 grains. Yardage forgiveness at higher speeds and wind drift forgiveness with mechanicals vs fixed heads are both very real and important if you don’t know the conditions you’ll be shooting at an animal.

Just curious what's everyones arrow set up? I have been wanting to build some of my own and get some iron will heads. Currently have VAP TKO's with slick tricks. I am a little light and I want to get in that 500-550 zone.

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Just curious what's everyones arrow set up?

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I'm running Sirius Apollo 300s, cut to just under 30" carbon to carbon length. I have 200 grain tuffhead evolution 2.0 single bevel up front with bleeders and a 50 grain insert. I'm at about 565 grains total.

I haven't sighted totally in, but I plan on doing that at the range next week since I see the mornings will be in the high 60s. I am sighted in at my 15- and 25-yard pins and I'm shooting darts right now. I didn't have to adjust my pins much at all from last year's setup, and that was completely different arrows/broadheads. I was around 480 grains last year.

Dudley isn’t wrong in what he’s saying, RF isn’t wrong in what he’s saying. The problem is, people debate RF and they get crushed because they don’t actually watch his videos. RF has never recommended 700 grain arrows for TAC or deer for that matter. Facts are facts and RF wouldn’t have taken off like he did unless it worked for people. I personally used his method and changed nothing about my bow or form. Plus, I don’t have to deal with the bow shop bros every year. I ended up with a 590gr arrow, 19ish% foc with a 31” draw and I’ve never had flight or the accuracy I do now. There’s nothing worse than taking your bow to the shop, having it tuned, go home cut the fletching off….3” tare. Happened to me several times. “Just shoot it, it’ll be fine” nah cuz.

Haha there was actually a point where he said he has a a bucket of arrows with different spines, point weights, and lengths and he shoots them to see what the bow likes. Troy kept saying “we’re doing the same thing” and dudley would do this weird laugh thing and say something about him needing to do research or take lessons. The last 30 minutes were brutal.

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Just curious what's everyones arrow set up?

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I started the podcast today but only got about 30 minutes into It so I didn’t get to the real brutal parts apparently.
My personal opinion on RF is kind of weird honestly. I bought a pse carbon levitate last year and had it set up, tuned, etc, probably $3,500 deep in it. Bought the Sirius RF test kit and never found anything that shot worth a damn. Scrapped the idea and bought goldtips with inserts and a 125gr head. TAW 477gr. Blew through hogs and deer. Then sold all that because I won a phase 4 in a raffle.
Fast forward to phase 4. I bought a dozen Sirius Apollo’s on Facebook with inserts(100gr), had them cut and inserts installed and a 125gr head. TAW 523gr. They shoot great. Just for shits and gigs the other day I took the Sirius test kit for another spin. The bare shaft at 525gr and 2 of my fletched arrows shot a 1” group at 30 yards. I upped the field point weight and got to 575gr TAW and my bow was damn near silent and it was “shooting like a dart”.
So a year ago I thought RF’s whole deal was a gimmick, with the exception of sharp broadheads because that’s obvious, and now after shooting probably a better tuned bow, I’m seeing that it’s actually doable. I could actually kill deer to 30 yards with an unfletched arrow. Which is what he’s trying to achieve.
I don’t think he preaches weight as much as he preaches perfect arrow flight. Which I thought was a myth until I got this new bow and now I see it’s definitely a thing. I don’t know why my pse wouldn’t shoot them right, but this phase 4 definitely achieves that perfect arrow flight. And as I’ve said before I’m 100% not a Mathews fanboy.
Sorry for the long post.

I've been wanting to share some of this and i feel like this is a good thread to get in the weeds. Its just food for thought when you are picking your arrow weight.

i said earlier my lighter setup is 447 grains and it goes 278 fps, measured on a chrono. This is the trajectory chart.


My heavier setup is 517 and goes 262. This is the trajectory chart.


If I went to 595, it would be doing 246. This would be the trajectory chart.


How far will you shoot? How good is your rangefinder? Are you dialing to 42 if hes 42 or just shooting with your 40 pin and hoping for the best? Can you be off by almost 5" if you are off by two yards? With your setup now, at your chosen max distance, how many yards can you be off and still hit an 8" circle?

The force to penetrate with a sharp fixed blade is so small compared to a monster mechanical. If you have all that kinetic energy, do you still need a cut on contact head? Just some stuff to think about.

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Someone can’t tune it for you

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Someone can tune it for you, you just need to be the one shooting it through the paper. I’m a lefty so the guys at the shop let me shoot my bow through paper. It’s hard to explain what was going on with my pse last year because I don’t really know why it was acting the way it was. I made a paper setup at my house and I was shooting bullet holes point blank with multiple Sirius test arrows, but when I stepped back to 7 yards it was horrible. So the bow was tuned for me, but the arrows weren’t flying past like 2-3 yards.
For whatever reason, my phase 4 will shoot the test kit bare shafts almost to the point of splitting arrows. Which is what RF says you need to achieve. I just didn’t think it was possible after shooting my pse. But seeing it with my Mathews makes me more of a believer of what he says.

Paper tuning is a good starting point. Broadhead tuning and walk back tuning with large fixed heads will show things that shooting paper with a field point will not