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re: Duck migration makes no sense at all...
Posted on 1/31/22 at 7:54 pm to TheGhostOfBigLee
Posted on 1/31/22 at 7:54 pm to TheGhostOfBigLee
It's Bidens' fault....
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Posted on 2/1/22 at 9:31 am to headedwest21
Weather is the smallest factor today. In the 80's and 90's duck hunting wasn't cool yet. A lot less hunters. You could hunt over painted coke bottles and kill all you wanted. The weather was about the same as now. There was a lot more open water and duck food down here as well. No salvinia and not nearly as much Water Hyacinth.
During the 3/30 days it was incredibly rare to not kill a limit. The outlaws would kill 50-100 quite often. We always saw ducks and lots of them.
Missouri getting baiting legalized and the practice of heating ponds was the final blow. I still remember listening to the radio back in 2000 before a hunt when a caller from the oldest duck club in southern Missouri called in. They went from killing 800+ per year to 2-300 birds because of the baiting north of them. They couldn't compete. He warned Louisiana and Arkansas hunters that they were next. He was sure as hell right.
You should all also know that Louisiana used to be the top Canada goose wintering location. They started baiting them up north and it completely stopped the migration. All we have today is resident birds.
Baby ducks fly down to where their parent met. Our late season is hurting that. A shorter earlier season will help, but if there is no food for the ducks to fly down too they won't come.
We are screwed. It is not going to get better until flooding unharvested corn, beans, and milo isn't considered a "normal farming practice".
During the 3/30 days it was incredibly rare to not kill a limit. The outlaws would kill 50-100 quite often. We always saw ducks and lots of them.
Missouri getting baiting legalized and the practice of heating ponds was the final blow. I still remember listening to the radio back in 2000 before a hunt when a caller from the oldest duck club in southern Missouri called in. They went from killing 800+ per year to 2-300 birds because of the baiting north of them. They couldn't compete. He warned Louisiana and Arkansas hunters that they were next. He was sure as hell right.
You should all also know that Louisiana used to be the top Canada goose wintering location. They started baiting them up north and it completely stopped the migration. All we have today is resident birds.
Baby ducks fly down to where their parent met. Our late season is hurting that. A shorter earlier season will help, but if there is no food for the ducks to fly down too they won't come.
We are screwed. It is not going to get better until flooding unharvested corn, beans, and milo isn't considered a "normal farming practice".
This post was edited on 2/1/22 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 2/1/22 at 9:49 am to choupiquesushi
Declining habitat makes since for here but doesn't explain the decline in Ark that has been happening or the declines now being seen in MO and to a lesser extent OK and KS.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 11:50 am to mrcoon
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Missouri getting baiting legalized and the practice of heating ponds
Did Missouri have its own laws about this? It’s been legal for as long as the Bird Act has been in place from what I understand. I believe they just got to understanding what to do. If birds don’t have food down here, they aren’t going to come. Plain and simple. Loss off coast and ag at an alarming rate is what’s driving that. My number one belief still is we still have such a short picture that we are comparing to that we don’t know what’s gonna happen next year. Natural cycles like this could have been happening for a long time. But also, human civilization is not helping the cause much.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 1:45 pm to mrcoon
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You should all also know that Louisiana used to be the top Canada goose wintering location. They started baiting them up north and it completely stopped the migration. All we have today is resident birds.
I came across a study of this a few weeks ago and it was incredible how that happened. Always wondered why I see old photos of guys down here with piles of Canadians and never seen one here, at least flying low, in person. I saw a south La guy who films hunts on public land shot two super low flying Canadians down south somewhere and I thought it was hilarious. Those look like so much fun to shoot.
We still hunt over painted jugs and coke bottles and kill a few birds though.
This post was edited on 2/1/22 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 2/1/22 at 1:49 pm to mrcoon
quote:Didnt use “Canadian”
Canada goose
Posted on 2/1/22 at 2:46 pm to headedwest21
The federal judges in MO interpreted the law differently than down here. Money talks. They even have a state tax to supplement the leaving of fields unharvested. What they do up there is quite remarkable. They have it down to a science. Special corn bred just for ducks. The fields are planted with different grains in certain patterns to better attract all species of ducks. There are hundreds of thousands of acres of these duck plots.
They are affecting the migration which is illegal. Their judges and the likes of DU don't care and support it. Until people in other states do the same and compete or just give up duck hunting all together nothing will change.
That said we have to fix down here as well. Out state is so crooked I don't think a tax of our own for ducks would make it to the wetlands.
They are affecting the migration which is illegal. Their judges and the likes of DU don't care and support it. Until people in other states do the same and compete or just give up duck hunting all together nothing will change.
That said we have to fix down here as well. Out state is so crooked I don't think a tax of our own for ducks would make it to the wetlands.
This post was edited on 2/1/22 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 2/1/22 at 2:49 pm to jimbeam
I like me some Canada goose. Grilled, fried, and jerky. I heard a lot of guys make burgers with them. If I am fortunate enough to kill some again I am going to make some.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 2:54 pm to mrcoon
One problem MO overlooked was the fact they made a large number of the birds on their refuges nocturnal.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 2:57 pm to TheGhostOfBigLee
I dare anyone to watch all of these and not get pissed off at least 10 times while watching.
XO: State of Waterfowl
My personal experience agrees and disagrees with a lot of what is said. I whish they would do an update on this. I am buddies with a few rice farmers and they strongly disagree with some of the sentiments expressed. The Louisiana guy on here doesn't seem to care for our interests either. To me, he came off as sucking arse to the other guys.
2019 was the last year I duck hunted. It isn't worth the time and money anymore.
XO: State of Waterfowl
My personal experience agrees and disagrees with a lot of what is said. I whish they would do an update on this. I am buddies with a few rice farmers and they strongly disagree with some of the sentiments expressed. The Louisiana guy on here doesn't seem to care for our interests either. To me, he came off as sucking arse to the other guys.
2019 was the last year I duck hunted. It isn't worth the time and money anymore.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 4:07 pm to mrcoon
Would putting more resources into rural La areas to make them duck friendly in La do anything in the grand scheme if they never end up down here? More rice, grain, water controls, etc. The entire state is a wetland basically, even areas of the pine forests. Seems like long term biologists, hunters, property owners, and farmers could get it better here but would it even make a difference?
Posted on 2/1/22 at 4:19 pm to mrcoon
I have heard some pretty silly things about shortstopping ducks and read this and wasn’t gonna say anything but just couldn’t
Link? Won’t find one. It’s not true
They have a tax that goes to fish ans wildlife conservation
Interesting
Hundreds of thousands of acres? Not true
quote:
The federal judges in MO interpreted the law differently than down here.
Link? Won’t find one. It’s not true
quote:
They even have a state tax to supplement the leaving of fields unharvested. What they do up there is quite remarkable. t
They have a tax that goes to fish ans wildlife conservation
quote:
Special corn bred just for ducks.
Interesting
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There are hundreds of thousands of acres of these duck plots.
Hundreds of thousands of acres? Not true
This post was edited on 2/1/22 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 2/1/22 at 7:22 pm to mrcoon
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In the 80's and 90's duck hunting wasn't cool yet. A lot less hunters.
I dunno about that, duck stamp sales tell a different story.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 7:35 pm to choupiquesushi
Back then you could drive to NOLA and see mallards in swamp along I-10. But I agree, nothings changed up north the last 20 years, these duck commander Sitka wearing baws don’t scout enough.
Posted on 2/1/22 at 7:42 pm to Capt ST
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these duck commander Sitka wearing baws don’t scout enough
Sarcasm?
Posted on 2/1/22 at 7:47 pm to lotik
Just a little
Maybe not the Sitka part
Maybe not the Sitka part
Posted on 2/1/22 at 8:05 pm to Capt ST
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Maybe not the Sitka part
i dont get the sitka hate
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:58 am to choupiquesushi
1000s of geese headed south today over i10
Glad they waited to the season was over
Glad they waited to the season was over
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:37 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:Yeah, we have fewer duck hunters than ever.
I dunno about that, duck stamp sales tell a different story.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:46 pm to tigerfoot
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I dunno about that, duck stamp sales tell a different story.
Yeah, we have fewer duck hunters than ever.
That is a misleading stat to begin with because I know of a few old men who don't hunt anymore, or people who don't duck hunt anyway, but collect the stamps. I've seen a lot of drawn pictures with the bird and the stamp with the same bird on it in the frame underneath. Idk if they still do that much.
But I know people collect them/buy two/ etc.
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