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Duck Decline Solution

Posted on 8/6/23 at 12:10 pm
Posted by Taxman2010
In The Woods
Member since Jan 2022
557 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 12:10 pm
Duck surveys in the United States continue to show widespread decline in the fowl population. Each flyway varies but from personal experience, the number of ducks in Louisiana seems to decrease every year. I would be willing to participate in rolling duck seasons. Duck season in the US would be every other year and this would allow the fowl population to recover while also providing better numbers during the rotating season. Do you think this could catch traction so that our grandkids will be able to experience the type of duck hunting our grandfathers talked about?
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20045 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 12:16 pm to
The populations have been in decline for a decade. They have just been covering it up for the sake of $. That being said I would give up a season and reduction to 4 ducks per if it would actually bring ducks back to LA. Problem is it won't. Loss of habitat is a huge issue for LA. That and according to some experts the birds with the instinctual flight patterns for LA have declined and will decades to come back. They will have to be learned by new ducks.

Regardless of that I would still sacrifice for more ducks. I'll pass up a booner to shoot GHs that work in perfect.

You would need Canada to take part as well.
This post was edited on 8/6/23 at 12:38 pm
Posted by Beessnax
Member since Nov 2015
10165 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 12:41 pm to
I used to live solely for duck season 30 years ago. It has gotten so bad that I have completely quit. It's just not worth the money and hassle.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20045 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 12:48 pm to
I quit 4 yrs or so ago. Still go on 2-3 trips a year but they are paid, or invites. I usually do 1 public just for humor.


I "deer hunt" but it just isn't the same.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12931 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 1:01 pm to
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Duck season in the US would be every other year and this would allow the fowl population to recover while also providing better numbers during the rotating season

Except there is nothing to suggest that this would be the case. The limited studies on species like pintail and (I believe) redheads have shown that limits do not impact the overall mortality and population numbers. Habitat (nesting habitat) is the driving factor.

You can shut it down for 5 years and, unfortunately, there's no guarantee that it would result in a significant increase in birds.

By some reports, somewhere between 50 to 70% of adult birds survive to the next year. So 30-50% die each year, and hunters account for maybe 10% of that. 10% isn't going to amount to much, especially since there's no guarantee they would survive, anyway.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
16305 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

I "deer hunt" but it just isn't the same.
It’s boring as shite which is why baws split hairs on bows, stands, rifles, food plots, camps, UTV’s, etc.

As for the topic at hand, shite is over and done with, baw.
This post was edited on 8/6/23 at 1:20 pm
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20045 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 1:26 pm to
I am holding out hope we have another mini ice age! The world will be turmoil but I will get my GHs back in LA damnit.
This post was edited on 8/6/23 at 1:27 pm
Posted by Beessnax
Member since Nov 2015
10165 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

 will get my GHs back in LA damnit. ? ?


I don't know how old you are, but I can remember seeing mallards by the thousands at one time, and with regularity. That is not an exaggeration. Looking back it really was an amazing sight,especially since they are gone now.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20045 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 2:11 pm to
Not old enough to have seen it on the regular but I have seen it.

What we have experienced here in LA has followed in Ark and now even in MO and west in OK/KS.

The population just isn't there anymore and has been in decline for years.


This post was edited on 8/6/23 at 3:53 pm
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
32672 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 2:23 pm to
Ducks have decreased in parts of LA, directly coinciding with several things - that will not change.

1. Exponentially increasing habitat degradation - especially coastal marshes.
2. Increased and constant human mechanized traffic through resting and feeding areas(surface drives, shallow draft boats, crawfish boats, atvs all over. people riding around rallying ducks or "scouting"
3. Invasives.
4. changing land use practices HERE - cotton - cane and cattle fields don't do much for ducks.
5. No till farming - this actually started the downward spiral NOT HERE - but amount of corn and other grains grown north of us is staggering.
6.the refuge affect.
7. spinning wing dekes leading to early season massacring of young ducks.here and before here
8. Since there have been seasons and limits this is the longest run this flyway has had of 60 and 6(or 10) ducks - but i venture to say that run will end soon.




an area 10 years ago where we killed nearly 300 mallards - killed less than 10 last year -

it's been in decline for years - but high success rates in some areas shielded the truth.

Frick rotating seasons

This post was edited on 8/6/23 at 2:33 pm
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
80126 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

an area 10 years ago where we killed nearly 300 mallards - killed less than 10 last year -


That level of killing probably did not help
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20045 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 2:44 pm to
I figured you would show.



What choup said.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
32672 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 3:19 pm to
quote:

I figured you would show.



What choup said.


I've had this discussion more than you can possibly imagine of the last few years....
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
19238 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

I quit 4 yrs or so ago. Still go on 2-3 trips a year but they are paid, or invites. I usually do 1 public just for humor.


I needed to have quit I'm so old now. I grew up in SWLA and hunted in a triangle that included Johnson's Bayou, Holmwood and Big Pasture. In the later half of the season, we'd jump out of the blind in Big Pasture and walk to some potholes to get out pintails and mallards. I don't think mallards even consider migrating to LA much anymore.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
32672 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

quote:
an area 10 years ago where we killed nearly 300 mallards - killed less than 10 last year -


That level of killing probably did not help

what changed was 3k acres north, 2 k acres west and unknown large tracts S and E... going to cane and cotton is what didn't help and...a water body near us which was a huge resting area getting completely covered with hyacinth 3 years in a row - was like flipping a switch.

we had 6 blinds only hunted 2 blinds per day(save for opening days and end of season days. we always had resting birds then boom - also a flooded timber area near us with extremely light pressure also went duckless at the same time.
This post was edited on 8/6/23 at 4:02 pm
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
32672 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

quote:
I quit 4 yrs or so ago. Still go on 2-3 trips a year but they are paid, or invites. I usually do 1 public just for humor.

I needed to have quit I'm so old now. I grew up in SWLA and hunted in a triangle that included Johnson's Bayou, Holmwood and Big Pasture. In the later half of the season, we'd jump out of the blind in Big Pasture and walk to some potholes to get out pintails and mallards. I don't think mallards even consider migrating to LA much anymore.
approaching 60 I've slacked off to maybe 3-4 morning hunts a year with son or olde friends.... got a little spot I can make easy afternoon hunts... which I still will do.... after chasing woodcock....
Posted by BorrisMart
La
Member since Jul 2020
9001 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 4:12 pm to
Definitely declines but there were more ducks on the lake this year than I have seen in probably a decade. Always a huge amount of sprigs and cans but weirdly there were mallards everywhere. Guess it was the weather event. But something does need to be done to get the population back up.

Don't remember the name but I believe a wealthy farmer (maybe oil/multi business guy) in Shreveport raises mallards and other ducks and bands them and they fly out and people kill them during hunting season around there. Maybe more of that? They aren't tame by any means.

quote:

I don't know how old you are, but I can remember seeing mallards by the thousands at one time, and with regularity. That is not an exaggeration. Looking back it really was an amazing sight,especially since they are gone now.


Saw that this year in CenLa on a day no one was hunting the middle because blinds flooded and they were all just hanging out. We drove through atleast 500, probably more, going to check a blind before sunrise to see if it was flooded one morning late season last year and they were sleeping and they all popped up and were hitting us in the head. I almost fell out of the boat grabbing one but it slipped out.
This post was edited on 8/6/23 at 4:17 pm
Posted by OGhunter777
Member since Mar 2012
867 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 4:18 pm to
Hunt nearly every day for the last 30 years. Fortunate enough to have property nearby office. Killed more ducks last season than ever before. Been maintaining a log since 2002.

Species: teal ringneck and grey ducks were most prevalent.

Not saying there isnt a decline, but if you are able to hunt in areas with good habitat , there are still birds to be had.
Posted by VernonPLSUfan
Leesville, La.
Member since Sep 2007
17025 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 4:23 pm to
Decrease the amount of days to hunt. If you don't allow hunting one year the amount of money lost from shells, licenses and what not would be a negative effect on everything duck hunting.
Posted by OGhunter777
Member since Mar 2012
867 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 4:58 pm to
I disagree
Hunting isn’t causing the decline of duck numbers.

60/6 is fair
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