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re: Driving on roads with snow...
Posted on 1/25/21 at 12:06 pm to DLauw
Posted on 1/25/21 at 12:06 pm to DLauw
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maybe Canyonlands
FYI, parts of Canyonlands are some of the most remote areas of the lower 48. You should be fine, but be cautions and careful.
If it were summer, I'd recommend going up and over the boulders towards Capitol Reef NP, but not this time of year. From Zion and heading east, I'd recommend going thru Kanab, UT to Page, AZ. I'm not sure of the status of things to do on the Navajo reservation (they've been hit really hard by COVID), but if you can, try and see/take a tour of Antelope canyon. From there, continue east thru the reservation and up to Mexican Hat, UT. You can camp in Goosenecks state park or the Valley of the Gods in that neck of the woods. Valley of the gods is BLM land with free primitive campsites. Head east from Bluff, UT. If the weather is good, head up to Cortez, Co (Mesa Verde NP). If not stay south to Farmington, NM. The road from Cortez to Durango goes up pretty high over the pass at Hesperus, CO (roughly 9,000'?) but it's a much prettier than from Farmington.
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 12:11 pm
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 12:33 pm to Lonnie Utah
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If your vehicle has traction control, make sure it's on....
or apparently off sometimes
...when we lived in denver my wife's accord would not start from a stop on ice/snow with the traction control on. Damn thing would try to out think itself and wouldn't go anywhere. Turn it off and it was fine. Have not had that issue on another vehicle though. quote:
I'm not sure of the status of things to do on the Navajo reservation (they've been hit really hard by COVID),
we drove up/down 491 over christmas and the state of the reservation was that it was pretty much shutdown. Even gas stations were closed on weekends for whatever curfew they had. Weekdays were a little better. Plan on being able to get gas at a pump but have all the food and whatever else you need with you and don't count on bathrooms being open.
Also look into dead horse point state park as a place to camp outside of canyonlands. We stayed there 4 nights over christmas and it was awesome. Night time temps were in the single digits though...
Posted on 1/25/21 at 12:39 pm to ccard257
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Also look into dead horse point state park as a place to camp outside of canyonlands. We stayed there 4 nights over christmas and it was awesome. Night time temps were in the single digits though...
Yeah, I was speaking more of the Needles District of Canyonlands. If the OP is headed to Moab this summer, it would be pointless to drive all the way past Moab just to camp at Dead Horse point (it's 2 hours north of Monticello, UT which would be out of the way to Durango as it is).
But it is beautiful though and a good recommendation, but maybe not on this trip. If headed out that way, and in a capable off road rig, look up Marlboro point. It's 1/2way between Dead horse point and Canyonlands Island in the Sky. It's spectacular at sunrise.
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 1/25/21 at 12:45 pm to LSUintheNW
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going down steep grades downshift gears and let your transmission work for you.
It's a smoother way of braking so you don't get out of control.
This
Posted on 1/25/21 at 1:25 pm to DLauw
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We're staying in Southern most parts of Utah and Colorado (Zion and maybe Canyonlands and then to Durango). We have no real reservations and our itinerary is very loose. If conditions prevent us from making it to where we're trying to go, we will reroute to secondary locations further south.
best wishes and FYI we (arizona) are getting a bad winter storm this week. rain in the valley and lots of snow and wind in the high country with several freeways closed in the mountains. drive safe!
Posted on 1/25/21 at 2:01 pm to X123F45
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always like to post my gif trying to get to my driveway in Idaho
Looks like 2wd territory.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 3:34 pm to LSUintheNW
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Looks like 2wd territory
Honestly with a running start, not a problem
It's all pretty compacted. As long as it isn't too fresh, it's pretty grippy.
Coming doen is a different story.
Poor guy in a tracked ranger crew started a slide and couldn't get enough wheel speed to recover. Pulled him out. When he saw the louisiana plates ol baw was so damned embarrassed
Posted on 1/25/21 at 4:04 pm to X123F45
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When he saw the louisiana plates ol baw was so damned embarrassed
I remember your thread. He should be embarrassed.
Eta....my mom drove a 32' RV to Mt. Hood, Hoodoo, and Bachelor routinely during the ski season when I was a kid. It had to be a huge snowstorm for us to put chains on. We hardly ever did.
Driving on snow, for the most part, is really easy. Patience and common sense is key. Unfortunately, a lot of people lack common sense.
I see people doing 70 on snow up the pass to Hood. Some of those guys really know what they're doing but some are just idiots.
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 1/25/21 at 4:54 pm to LSUintheNW
When we lived south of Fort Worth, we'd get a pretty good snow every year. On my way to the plant one morning in my old CJ, I put her in 4hi and headed out. Swampers ain't made for snow, let me tell you. At 45mph, I lost traction and went in to a spin. Went around 630 degrees and slid down the median sideways for a good ways. I finally stopped with my headlights looking over the highway.
Moral of the story: don't forget to get out and lock your hubs.
Moral of the story: don't forget to get out and lock your hubs.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 5:01 pm to LSUintheNW
DP
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 1/25/21 at 8:12 pm to DLauw
go slow, easy on the brakes
Posted on 1/25/21 at 8:28 pm to DLauw
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We're staying in Southern most parts of Utah and Colorado (Zion and maybe Canyonlands and then to Durango). We have no real reservations and our itinerary is very loose. If conditions prevent us from making it to where we're trying to go, we will reroute to secondary locations further south.
That country gets winter too, so watch the weather and be careful. That is all high elevation plateau country even though you aren’t in the mountains, except for Durango. Two years ago we were stuck in Durango for several days during a late February snowstorm.
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 1/25/21 at 9:34 pm to X123F45
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When he saw the louisiana plates ol baw was so damned embarrassed
The year we moved from Denver to Fort Worth FW got a big snow storm and the roads iced over pretty bad. I helped recover several vehicles on the way home from work. Most had just slid against the tall curbs on some heavily crowned old streets and couldn't get traction to start moving, mostly as a result of trying to gun it. The looks of defeat when a guy in a suit and tie got out of a station wagon and un fricked them were incredible.
my favorite though was heading info flagstaff from grand canyon national park. it was snowing a little but the road was dry and straight. somehow there was a small SUV in the snow a decent way off the road. I stopped to find a BMW with cali plates trying to get themselves more stuck. "y'all want me to pull you out?" "no thanks, we've got all wheel drive." I laughed and handed them a snow shovel and told them to give it hell while I dug out a tow strap.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 9:37 pm to DLauw
Carry a tow strap
Remember it’s not the snow you need to worry about so much as it’s the ice under the snow you can’t see especially if temps get high enough to melt it and turn it into slush before refreezing when the temps drop again.
Like others have said carry supplies
Never hit the brakes. I was always told it’s like when you hydroplane in rain. Let off the accelerator and and let the car slow down by downshifting or by letting the engine idle and coasting to slower speeds.
I can tell you the only time I’ve “fishtailed” was going up hill and I just barely tapped on my accelerator and my rear tires spun and lost traction. Luckily I wasn’t meeting anyone and I let my truck basically straighten itself out and continued on my way. Could have ended much worse.
Remember it’s not the snow you need to worry about so much as it’s the ice under the snow you can’t see especially if temps get high enough to melt it and turn it into slush before refreezing when the temps drop again.
Like others have said carry supplies
Never hit the brakes. I was always told it’s like when you hydroplane in rain. Let off the accelerator and and let the car slow down by downshifting or by letting the engine idle and coasting to slower speeds.
I can tell you the only time I’ve “fishtailed” was going up hill and I just barely tapped on my accelerator and my rear tires spun and lost traction. Luckily I wasn’t meeting anyone and I let my truck basically straighten itself out and continued on my way. Could have ended much worse.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 10:21 pm to bulldog95
quote:20’x1 1/2” kinetic BUBBA rope as well as a winch. I’m an amateur instructor (no certs) in recovery as well as rock crawling/off-roading. I carry a healthy amount of recovery gear. I was looking for advice on how to avoid having to get out in snow and do recovery
Carry a tow strap
Someone earlier mentioned that tire chains are mandatory in some places. Anyone know where to find a resource on that?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:44 am to DLauw
Is your soon to be ex wife loaning you her ride for this trip?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:55 am to DLauw
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Someone earlier mentioned that tire chains are mandatory in some places. Anyone know where to find a resource on that?
Whether mandatory or not, I wouldn’t go anywhere in the west in the winter without tire chains. They are the one single item that will save your bacon in the worst of circumstances. Chaining up all four wheels will take you places you’d never dreamed of, but make sure you check your vehicle manual to see if you can chain up all four wheels. Many newer vehicles don’t allow you to chain up the front wheels and some don’t allow you to chain up any wheels. If you can get at least two wheels chained up that will help immensely.
And always carry a shovel in winter.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 11:01 am to MontanaTiger
+1 on the shovel. I just keep a small collapsible avalanche shovel on hand. Have used that probably more than anything except the extra wiper fluid.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:09 pm to DLauw
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Someone earlier mentioned that tire chains are mandatory in some places.
The few places I've been checked in colorado, they looked st tires, saw severe snow symbol, and sent me on my way.
Heavily siped deep tread tires and a ton of clearance has always been more than enough for me.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:03 pm to KemoSabe65
quote:No :wink:
your soon to be ex wife loaning you her ride for this trip?
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