re: Dog shock collar help?!?

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And if you have a chessie.....hide the transmitter when not in use.....they figure it out that is what makes the collar work...,

And when they find it unattended.......crunch

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My dog has already tried this. He knows exactly what makes the collar work.

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I'm still curious as to how you teach him the word no, and how you correct his behavior when he doesn't mind you.

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Is this a serious question or are you trying make a point? Have you ever raised a dog? Dogs associate the word no with being punished.

Still on this shock collar thing, huh. Okay, last night I went over to my neighbors house and worked his male chocolate. He is a pup from my gyp. Just like his dad, big, block headed, and full of piss and vinegar. My neighbor doesn't hunt, just wanted a house/watch dog, in which he is. Barks at anything and everything that walks past their house. Not annoying, just letting strangers know, he is in the yard. So anywho, when I'm out in my yard with my dog, he begins to bark at me to let him know he wants to play. So I go over, and fetch him up and we do some short retrieves. Small yard. My neighbor is in his 70's, and pretty weak and nimble. So I helped him on teaching the dog some obedience. First thing I taught the dog was sit/heel. Got him on my left side with a lead attached to his collar and walked around his yard. When I stopped, I would say sit/heel. If he didn't I would push his butt down, all the time saying the s/h command. When I began walking I would say heel, and that is also the command I use to move/go, all the while right next to my left side. I did this maybe 10 minutes a day. After a few days when I knew the dog understood my command. The word "no" came in. If he didn't sit/heel when I commanded, I would jerk on his leash, in which he had a nylon choke collar, and say no. Sometimes it was a gentle tug, sometimes it was a direction changer. But every time he didn't do what I commanded, it was jerk and a firm no. This took about a week. Now also when he did what I instructed, I would praise, scratch his back, and just let him know that I was happy with his work. Remember repetition. And you have to be fair. Obedience/praise when necessary. That's pretty much it. Never raised a hand to the dog. Like I said earlier, it takes a little time and repetition. Another note. Let the dog have some play time too. Usually after we do some work, I'll play with the dog about as long as we work. He loves that and that's where you get your loyalty, not by shocking the shite out of him. Sorry so long. I love to train dogs.

I disagree. Dogs are mans best friend. Why would you shock your best friend. It's called loyalty. I can take my dog anywhere. I don't care what the distractions are, he/she will sit right by my side. Do they want to chase things, hell yes. But they listen and obey my command. And sometimes, not many, they mess up and some sort of obedience is needed. Usually a loud no is all it takes. If I had a doller for everytime someone would say, "Your dog is better behaved than my children", I'd have a enough to buy a new shotgun. And not a mossberg either.

Petsafe brand at Petsmart. I've used a couple & they are VERY reliable,safe, & waterproof. The one I have comes with a warning beep AND the shock option

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not by shocking the shite out of him.

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I have never shocked the shite out of a dog. You must be the dog whisperer or working with the most timid dogs in the world if you never raise your hand. And getting a dog to come to you in the backyard is a little different than changing a labs direction when he is running through a rice field at 200 yards and there are guns going off and the smell of duck feathers all across the field. Or a bird dog that jumps a deer when they are 300 yards away.

I agree to that and it sounds like you are a good trainer who understands how to read a dog. When I got my first collar I read a book on training with an e-collar and they used it on everything. Even putting them into there air kennel in the truck. Screw that. I just want it in case of an emergencey and when my dog gets full of himself and is 100 yards out and not listening to me.

My current lab was so easy to train. As a pup it was like whenever we worked, he would look at me like, "Teach me something." It took less than 10 minutes to teach him to sit on command and whistle. It was amazing. Still, every once and a while, it can get a little hard headed. Dogs are like people. Also, I have never shocked him on a level that I didn't try on my own hand.

If you don't beat 'em early, they'll hate you for it later.

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Does this work for women as well?

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I'm trying to see how they think beating the shite out of a dog is better than using a shock collar. And why they think using a collar is lazy.

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There is only one time I have beat the shite out of my big male. He growled at one of my daughters friends when she 7. I never lost my cool with him before or since, its senseless and accomplishes very little.

Punishing a dog doesn't always include beating him. I simply correct the behavior.

You have never heard me, nor will you, say its a lazy route. Its a great tool if done properly and, or, you are training a lot of dogs.

Look, I have nothing against collars. People wanna use them I'm fine with it. Now, I just choose not to use one. My big male knows when he has fricked up and when he's done well by the tone of my voice and by my body language.