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re: Dog shock collar help?!?
Posted on 2/12/12 at 1:29 pm to Bosethus68
Posted on 2/12/12 at 1:29 pm to Bosethus68
There is no need for a shock collar unless you're too lazy to train your dog. For those that say the shock collar saved your dog, I'm sure it did, but so would getting off your lazy fat arse and training the dog to learn the word no. Some of you fat asses need a shock collar used on yourself, maybe you'd get out of the recliner and train your dog.
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Posted on 2/12/12 at 1:40 pm to Rebman601
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training the dog to learn the word no.
Ok tough guy. How do you do this and what do you do if your dog disobeys you?
Posted on 2/12/12 at 1:45 pm to Rebman601
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For those that say the shock collar saved your dog, I'm sure it did, but so would getting off your lazy fat arse and training the dog to learn the word no.
Ok.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 2:52 pm to JasonL79
My male lab was anything but timid. Have had a few females that were and were easy to train. Its about how you interact with your dog. If you want a machine to hunt and then in the off season spends the rest of his life in a kennel, shock collar is probably your best bet. But if you want a hunting dog and house dog that interacts with people, is obedient, and a joy to be around, do it with out a collar. Like I said, when he learns the word no, it just takes time. Time and repetition is the key. Nothing wrong with force fetching. Only had one put through it, nothing wrong with it IMO.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 3:05 pm to VernonPLSUfan
A shock collar keeps a trained dog honest. If you came to my house you wouldn't even know my 3 shorthairs are hunting dogs. In the woods I rarely use the collar, but bad things can happen in the woods and I want the ability to have that control.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 3:32 pm to GonePecan
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I guarantee you that someone is going to put a collar on him
Not always. Most do use a collar because it is fast and they have a lot of dogs they train. The last trainer I paid didn't use a collar. He taught me a lot. Now, I don't use them. Just my choice, but if you have no idea how to use one you can ruin a dog in no time.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 3:46 pm to Vol Fan in the Bayou
My ex-wife wouldn't listen at all, one day I broke out the blackjack and popped her in the head a few time and all was good. But I gotta tell ya the foreplay was never the same.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 5:10 pm to VernonPLSUfan
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But if you want a hunting dog and house dog that interacts with people, is obedient, and a joy to be around, do it with out a collar. Like I said, when he learns the word no, it just takes time.
There are a lot of different ways to skin a cat.Just because one person does it one way doesn't mean it will work for all that way. Different dogs have different personalities and train differently. I've had hunting labs all my life and am on my 5th one now that hunted and all of them reacted differently to training. I'll keep using my collar because it works for me and I can use it when I feel I need it.
My current lab is 1.5 and while training he gives me no problems but when he's in play mode he doesn't give a crap about the word no. He has been told no a million times but he does bad things to get my attention in the house.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 5:16 pm to VernonPLSUfan
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Its about how you interact with your dog. If you want a machine to hunt and then in the off season spends the rest of his life in a kennel, shock collar is probably your best bet. But if you want a hunting dog and house dog that interacts with people, is obedient, and a joy to be around, do it with out a collar.
Why? I've trained 3 labs. Each one I have taken out to work about 5 times a week. None of them stayed in a kennel. What difference does a collar make with where they live? Again, how do you correct their behavior and make them mind?
This post was edited on 2/12/12 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 2/12/12 at 6:35 pm to VernonPLSUfan
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If you want a machine to hunt and then in the off season spends the rest of his life in a kennel, shock collar is probably your best bet. But if you want a hunting dog and house dog that interacts with people, is obedient, and a joy to be around, do it with out a collar.
The two black labs laying at my feet would prove you wrong. I have been staying out of this due to the ignorance but this made me want to post. I'm positive many of you have dogs that will blow mine out of the water but I would love to have an OB training day so I could maybe gain some of the infinite knowledge a few on here have about retrievers.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 6:52 pm to Choirboy
Posted on 2/12/12 at 7:39 pm to Intermingler
That was a joke..no one cry now
And for the tough guys wrap that collar around your nutz and hit the button a few times and get back to us
And for the tough guys wrap that collar around your nutz and hit the button a few times and get back to us
Posted on 2/12/12 at 8:14 pm to Intermingler
Plain and simple a collar SHOULD NOT be used to teach, it's used to enforce a command. You can train a good dog without a collar, but IMO the collar makes things a hell of a lot easier on the DOG NOT the trainer. My dogs do 500+ yard blinds cold and also triples and quads over 300 yards. THe collar makes my job easier. As far as training more I train on average an hour a day EVERY day.
In response to the original question, I like Tri Tronics I have been using them for years they are very reliable.
In response to the original question, I like Tri Tronics I have been using them for years they are very reliable.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 8:48 pm to Da Hammer
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but IMO the collar makes things a hell of a lot easier on the DOG NOT the trainer
Yes, the people bitching about people being too lazy using a collar have yet to say how they correct a dog.
The only time I use mine is to stop the dog if I need to.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 9:01 pm to GonePecan
Most dogs wanna please...so a good scolding goes along way.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 9:06 pm to Intermingler
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Most dogs wanna please...so a good scolding goes along way.
With a poodle yes. With a high bred, strong bred hunting dog, not as much. They can get a little head strong, if they are good.
This post was edited on 2/12/12 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 2/12/12 at 9:09 pm to Intermingler
Won't argue praise any dog works well for praise. They still screw up and the collar helps get an immediate response/correction.
Yelling at the dog doesn't really get immediate response from the dog and can then sometimes confuse the dog what they are being corrected for.
Yelling at the dog doesn't really get immediate response from the dog and can then sometimes confuse the dog what they are being corrected for.
Posted on 2/12/12 at 9:20 pm to Da Hammer
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Posted by Message Da Hammer Yelling at the dog doesn't really get immediate response from the dog and can then sometimes confuse the dog what they are being corrected for.
This. Whenever I yelled at my dog in a hunting situation he got confused and would never do what I wanted him to do. The best thing I found with my dogs is to keep calm and have patience. And my last two dogs were not timid dogs. They were more alpha and had lots of drive. Too much scolding can really mess up a dog also.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 7:44 am to JasonL79
If you gonna zap a dog - dog must know why!
And punishment must fit crime....
Before collars....bird hunters lost plenty more "big" running dogs.....different game that retrievers....as they can range out nearly a half a mike depending on cover.l,
And try taking verbal instructions from someone 200 yard away while you are swimming...it don't work..
And if you have a chessie.....hide the transmitter when not in use.....they figure it out that is what makes the collar work...,
And when they find it unattended.......crunch
And punishment must fit crime....
Before collars....bird hunters lost plenty more "big" running dogs.....different game that retrievers....as they can range out nearly a half a mike depending on cover.l,
And try taking verbal instructions from someone 200 yard away while you are swimming...it don't work..
And if you have a chessie.....hide the transmitter when not in use.....they figure it out that is what makes the collar work...,
And when they find it unattended.......crunch
Posted on 2/13/12 at 8:11 am to choupiquesushi
I have owned and trained Labs for about 25 years and have had some that did not need a E-collar and some that did. The ones that did need the collar i always adjust the setting to where the dog does not yelp, just enough to get their attention.
Now for the past 13yrs i have helped alot of people with what ever breed of dog they have that needs obedience training,90% of the time i have not needed a collar, but have had to with a few and had great results.
The best advise i can give someone is to do some research on the dog(s) you are interested in and understand what you're getting before you get it.Next you must make sure you have time to walk or play in the yard at least 5 days a week or more.
Then teach your dog basic commands before starting any tricks or retreiving, this will help greatly and will make it easier to determine weather or not you need an E-collar or not.
Now for the past 13yrs i have helped alot of people with what ever breed of dog they have that needs obedience training,90% of the time i have not needed a collar, but have had to with a few and had great results.
The best advise i can give someone is to do some research on the dog(s) you are interested in and understand what you're getting before you get it.Next you must make sure you have time to walk or play in the yard at least 5 days a week or more.
Then teach your dog basic commands before starting any tricks or retreiving, this will help greatly and will make it easier to determine weather or not you need an E-collar or not.
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