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re: Dispute over public fishing hole leads to ticket, arrest on Toledo Bend
Posted on 6/15/17 at 7:06 am to TheCurmudgeon
Posted on 6/15/17 at 7:06 am to TheCurmudgeon
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Why do you and the guide think he's so special that he can control what other people do on a public water body?
This guy watches where he fishes and makes it a point to go find them. Does anyone want to do work for themselves anymore? Its not just one pile, its 10 or more that he found so far.
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 7:38 am to tigerbait703
It is still a public waterway, they are not "his" brush piles. I understand he is working but he should know that it is public and he can't control other people on public water.
No excuse for confronting someone, it's already been said, he should have moved on to the next spot.
No excuse for confronting someone, it's already been said, he should have moved on to the next spot.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 8:02 am to duckdude
I can see it both ways. It's public, but it's courtesy to move on if the "owner" shows up. Just like catahoula lake. You can hunt the blind if no one is in it, but move on if they arrive
Almost like the young boom scouters on public duck hunting land. They heard you shooting, then get in that spot t next day. Yeah it's public land, but it's disrespectful and lazy
Find your own spot, or put out your own brush piles
Almost like the young boom scouters on public duck hunting land. They heard you shooting, then get in that spot t next day. Yeah it's public land, but it's disrespectful and lazy
Find your own spot, or put out your own brush piles
Posted on 6/15/17 at 8:08 am to Ron Cheramie
I understand it could piss the guide off but the other can only fish one at a time. He should roll up and if Johnson is there go to his next one. I guarantee you Johnson won't be on the second one too.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 8:11 am to Ron Cheramie
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It's public, but it's courtesy to move on if the "owner"
There is no "owner" it is public, don't build a blind or put out brush pile if you know you are going to get upset over it. You have no legal right over another to fish it or hunt it. Until the law is changed that is the law.
I don't know of a better way to handle the issue. It would stink if there was no where to fish or hunt because people were claiming all the spots.
Maybe make it illegal to build a blind or put out a brush pile? A lot of federal lands are this way and it seems to work pretty well but there is always someone that feels like they own a spot for one reason or another.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 8:16 am to duckdude
I bet if you could burn a brush pile under water that lake would be glowing 
Posted on 6/15/17 at 8:23 am to duckdude
I'm not defending the guy saying it was right, just saying I see where he would be pissed. Sounds like Johnson seeks out this guys piles I know where quite a few piles are on Toledo because I see boats fishing them all the time.
I would never fish there though but that's just me. That's just laziness.
I would never fish there though but that's just me. That's just laziness.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 8:26 am to Clyde Tipton
We used his guide service in early May. We went with another on of his workers, and the guide that we were with that day did the same thing to another guy "fishing his brush pile". I thought it was kinda funny that he would tell someone to move from where the were fishing on a public lake.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 8:56 am to nwhsallstar2000
Who wants to start the excel spreadsheet with this cats brush pile coordinates?
Posted on 6/15/17 at 9:12 am to Ron Cheramie
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Sounds like Johnson seeks out this guys piles
This is the kinda of stuff that wouldn't be a problem if it was illegal to put out piles.
What if you have a favorite spot and someone comes and puts a brush pile on it? Do you stop fishing it?
The courteous thing to do is find somewhere to fish that isn't occupied.
I hunt public woods, I hate when someone is in one of my spots but I don't park next to people and go in the woods with them. They get their first and it's their spot for the day. If I'm real hot on a spot and I catch the people before they go in the woods I may tell them where I would like to go and ask them if they mind but I usually just go on down the road.
My buddy thinks it's a sickness that is spreading, he thinks once someone has had someone walk-in on them then they start doing it also. He believes the problem is really getting worse. I hope he is wrong and most folks just go on down the road or to a different spot, there has always been a few people around they believe that own everything.
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 9:14 am
Posted on 6/15/17 at 9:41 am to tigerbait703
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This guy watches where he fishes and makes it a point to go find them. Does anyone want to do work for themselves anymore? Its not just one pile, its 10 or more that he found so far.
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He has mulitple piles. 80-90.
So the guide still had roughly 70 unidentified piles?
Posted on 6/15/17 at 9:49 am to tigerbait703
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This guy watches where he fishes and makes it a point to go find them. Does anyone want to do work for themselves anymore? Its not just one pile, its 10 or more that he found so far.
I'm calling bullshite. No way weekend Joe and his wife have time to stalk a full time guide and stake out all "his" spots. Sounds like some shite inshore guides say when they don't feel like burning the gas to get away from a crowd.
He knew the risk when he chose to make his living off of a public resource. Everyone has electronics now, and understands the concept of a thermocline. With everyone targeting roughly the same depth along contours, it's almost impossible not to hit "someone's" pile.
Again, I should just give someone the right of way because they chose to make their living off something we all support through taxes? frick that. He can find another line of work if it is too much, I'm sure there's plenty of other guides who would be happy to take a check from his customers.
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 9:53 am
Posted on 6/15/17 at 9:53 am to RickfromArizona
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Don't fish a working man's brush pile
Maybe he should consider another career! I'll fish where ever the heck I want to on a lake and if some jackass rolls up and tells me to move he better have some jacked up knuckles!
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:19 am to Bossier2323
Do you have a narrow uretie?
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:26 am to RickfromArizona
quote:You're more likely to get laughed at.
I see someone on my brushpile or I see someone in my duckblind, I'm running their arse out. That's all I'm going to say.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:34 am to tigerbait703
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This guy watches where he fishes and makes it a point to go find them. Does anyone want to do work for themselves anymore? Its not just one pile, its 10 or more that he found so far.
So, we know for a fact that he had at least 9 more brush piles to fish yet he chose to make an arse out of himself in front of paying customers?
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:48 am to tigerbait703
quote:he put them in Toledo Bend, he makes his living off of resources bought and paid for by the public.
Does anyone want to do work for themselves anymore? Its not just one pile, its 10 or more that he found so far.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 10:58 am to bbvdd
Side imaging technology has leveled the playing field in many ways. There are no more secrets anymore and a person can find all the piles he wants if he devotes the time and gas spent idling to find them.
There is no legal basis to challenge someone fishing what you think is "your" pile. It's public water, everybody and be anywhere at anytime they want to. It's America!
Since you can't challenge it legally, it has to be worked out in the realm of etiquette and local fishing norms. These vary person to person. The smart thing to do is have a mature, respectful conversation with the other angler. This didn't happen in this case. So both parties got jammed up by the law. Maybe next time they will choose a different path for it to take. Maybe they can meet, as men, and work something out or even find a way to work together to build more piles that they both can share. Maybe they could even learn to share info on what's working and what isn't. Fishing is about peace. I go to get away from negative crap like this.
There is no legal basis to challenge someone fishing what you think is "your" pile. It's public water, everybody and be anywhere at anytime they want to. It's America!
Since you can't challenge it legally, it has to be worked out in the realm of etiquette and local fishing norms. These vary person to person. The smart thing to do is have a mature, respectful conversation with the other angler. This didn't happen in this case. So both parties got jammed up by the law. Maybe next time they will choose a different path for it to take. Maybe they can meet, as men, and work something out or even find a way to work together to build more piles that they both can share. Maybe they could even learn to share info on what's working and what isn't. Fishing is about peace. I go to get away from negative crap like this.
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 10:59 am
Posted on 6/15/17 at 11:25 am to Beessnax
Fact is you can't own brush piles in public waters and you can't claim fish you ain't caught.
A recreational fisherman has every right to those fish as a paid guide service.
You don't want people fishing the piles then don't put them out.
A recreational fisherman has every right to those fish as a paid guide service.
You don't want people fishing the piles then don't put them out.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 11:32 am to RickfromArizona
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I just don't believe in fishing another mans brush pile when that's how he feeds his family.
What if I want to feed my family by fishing public lakes?
Your argument carries no merit. If he feeds his family by charging people to take a public resource, then he needs to deal with the inherent consequences.
Wonder if I can start charging for guided deer hunts in Kisatchie National Forest?
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