re: Conceal Carry w/o a permit Bill filed today!

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I'm worried about dumbasses.

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That's a fair concern, but let's be honest:

Are you really worried about the law-abiding citizen who decides to CC because now he didn't have to attend a class or tell the State Police about why he got divorced 27 years ago to do so?

Keep in mind that the required 8 hour CC class that is taught now has almost nothing to with gun safety or gun handling.


Every person that legally carries a firearm that he has purchased from a retail establishment already has had NICS background check anyway.

I watched the range master chew the assess of several idiots during the shooting portion of my last CC class because they couldn't follow simple directions.

The line of thought that a certification makes you less of an idiot just isn't true.

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Or is it because you make money on this? Bapple makes money teaching CC but you see him supporting this bill completely. Something is wrong with some of you on here...

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Chatrabbit: Please don't take this the wrong way:

1. As I explained here previously, I don't teach my redneck CCW classes just to make money. If money were my objective, I'd charge a hell of a lot more than I do, and I wouldn't allow friends, military dependents, LSU coeds (and anyone else that legitimately seems to need training but lacks funds) to attend for free.

2. Here's the part I hope doesn't sound arrogant ......... anyone who has been to my office to take my class has probably figured out that I don't need that money. If I needed the $$ I wouldn't have donated a $900+ pistol to Josey's fundraiser a couple of years ago. (When I learn of them, I also contribute to other fundraisers.) I've been blessed in my "day job" such that I'm able to do that, and don't really have money worries (except for being married ).

3. If I needed that money, I'd teach more than one class per month (despite having a waiting list of 80-90 people for every class). My classes fill up within 15-20 minutes verey time I announce the date for one -- so if money were my motivation, I'd charge the highest rates in BR, not the lowest.

4. I teach these classes because there is truly an incredibly high level of ignorance or misunderstanding (maybe that's redundant) regarding self-defense laws and SD concepts that pertain to awareness, avoidance, de-escalation, terminal ballistics, shot placement, etc. I attend an average of 24 hours of training every year, taught by the "gurus of the gurus." In my classes I share what those guys are teaching -- because most of my students can't afford to pay $450-950 for a 2-3 day class (plus 1000-1500 rounds of ammo for a class)

5. Yes, I charge tuition -- because people pay a little more attention if they pay something. I charge some people $10 -- if that's all I think they can afford. But NONE of my beliefs about self-defense training are based on money going into my wallet. HOWEVER if you think my opinions are less valid because I teach CCW classes, or the fact that I charge a fee makes you think you're somehow superior, more power to you. Have a great day.


p.s. VETTEGUY: I understand that you felt my class was good, and I appreciate your saying that. I wasn't trying to harass or insult you -- I truly meant that my "money back guarantee" goes farther than the class just being "good."

My guarantee is that the class will exceed every student's expectations. Even students who came only because the state makes them come, should still walk out glad they came --- because they learned some things that were of value -- things that might save their life or keep them out of legal troubles. If my class didn't meet that test for you, then I truly feel like I owe you a refund.

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2. Here's the part I hope doesn't sound arrogant

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It did. And it's that exact arrogance that makes you think that because someone took your class they are miraculously proficient marksmen under stress with the utmost law experience. Yes, people are going to walk away form the class and retain a few things. A brochure could accomplish the same thing with the high points on it.

Show us a state with constitutional carry that has experienced an increase in crime due to allowing it. Or to address your fear, an increase in homicides from individuals who started carrying because of it.

So I've read a bit of the thread, I fully support this bill. What makes it different that a weapon is concealed on my body that I need a class?

I really don't care what others say to defend the ccw, it is an infringement on my right. Since when did carrying concealed for the intent of self defense (my natural right) require some "license" from "the state".

You may as well support poll taxes and safe spaces.

Don't give me the "I'm scared of the idiots" argument. There are idiots everywhere. If you're that scared, you don't deserve Liberty.

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it's that exact arrogance that makes you think that because someone took your class they are miraculously proficient marksmen under stress with the utmost law experience.

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You appear to have a proclivity for distorting what people here have posted.

Once again, I didn't write what you read, or you didn't read what I wrote. Unfortunately, all I can do is write it -- I can't understand it for you.

p.s. if you ever decide to avail yourself of some defensive handgun training, I'll be happy to recommend some trainers.

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Seems like some people can't engage in a discussion without adding disparaging remarks, and trying to attribute motives to the folks with whom they disagree.

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No kidding,, I "think" I said something kin to that (I) wasn't arguing, wasn't saying anyone was wrong, but that (I) needed to process it and had some conflicting issues in my mind". For those turrible attacking words, some dewsh said I was taking a liberal position. The 100+ folks on here that have met, drank, dined, hunted and fished with me know that there ain't a liberal hair on my body,,, but, I tend to think, process and examine before I pull a lever. Does that make me a raging liberal? Maybe I really am one?

I tell ya what, show me where I said I was against it. I may be wrong, but, I "think" I said I wanted to ponder it, was deep and had possible ramifications. I "think" I mentioned a possible "what if" and that was it, I believe?
My memory ain't what it used to be, but, I'm takin' into account that your reading might not be up to spec, as well.

Like I said, that comment wasn't directed towards you. I even replied to someone who looked, to me at least, to be on the other side of the fence.

Then you gave me the most polite "frick you" possible and got a little upset. No big deal, just clarifying.

And there's nothing wrong with taking liberal positions on things. I see eye to eye with those jackasses on several things. Democrats aren't always the ones trying to control our lives...