re: Chronic Wasting Disease confirmed in a Mississippi White-tailed Deer

I mean, any numbers at all would be a good start

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Pens need to be outlawed for sure

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Not trying to stir the shite in here but why should gubmet tell me i cant high fence a property? There are many levels here to consider. A spread of 10000 acres is way different than 1000 for example. Regardless if I own 10 acres shouldn’t i be allowed to high fence property if i were to own it?

Im not a high fence proponet just thinking about the slippery slope.

That what they did in Wisconsin and the effect was dramatic, I know guys that were shooting 15-20 bucks a yr. There has to be a better way to deal with it than mass slaughter.

Trust me I am not big on the Gov telling people what to do with their property either but this case is a little different. It directly impacts other private and public property. Like I said stricter regs such as double fencing is something that would work without having to ban it.

And to be fair the issue is more with breeding operations than large high fence operations with native deer in them.

The prions that cause the disease being able to survive in the soil, taken up into plants via roots, and then spread if eaten is very concerning. Seems the only strategy is to try and contain it from spreading. Reducing deer density is the easiest way to reduce deer to deer contact.

Deer belong to the State, not the private citizen. Deer pens lock up what belongs to all the citizens.
Deer herds shouldn’t be ruined so that one man can have a fence.

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Are you saying without a double fence the deer french kiss and pass the cooties?

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Yes that is one way it can spread.

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Double fencing would not work

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Double fencing with a buffer zone would greatly reduce contact with wild herds and to be honest IDGAS if it is more expensive, the other option is to outright ban it.

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You're regulating what people can do with their private property.

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When what you do with your property infringes on or damages other property you are subject to regulation, there is precedent for this. And to be honest anyone who is a true sportsman should understand the issue at hand.

Do some research on CWD and get back to me, there are some pretty scary possibilities. The fact is we just dont know enough right now so imo it is better to err on the side of caution.

As of right now it is wild (public) and other private deer herds however possibly cattle and even the ground itself since the prions can live in the soil for extended periods of time.

The transfer to cattle and humans is still being researched but you can argue that once wild deer contact it and spread it to surrounding properties that land is now contaminated.

Similar to a chemical spill or release.

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That’s a significant restriction on the use of private property.

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I agree with GH. If what you are doing on that private property could negatively impact the deer not on your property, it is subject to regulations.

You can't put up a high fence on your property in Louisiana and trap all of the native deer inside. It's illegal. You have to remove them, and bring in deer from another high fence operation, possibly from out of state. That increases the chances of CWD coming in.

If you want to have your own private deer herd, I don't really care if you have to spend more money double fencing it or not. I don't want you potentially impacting the native deer herd by bringing in disease from outside.

Just to continue the debate, here are a few talking points.

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You can't put up a high fence on your property in Louisiana and trap all of the native deer inside. It's illegal.

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True, and I totally agree with this approach. People should not be able to capture wild/native deer. In turn, just the opposite is illegal. You can't turn deer out of a fence onto wild ground. Does both happen, you bet.

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You have to remove them, and bring in deer from another high fence operation

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Also, true. And most, if not all have to be CWD compliant with the state. I'm trying to confirm that right now.

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possibly from out of state

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This is the illegal part. Any animal of the Cervidae family can not be transported across state lines. That has been shut down. You will go to jail and you will not collect $200.

Now consider this. There are no reports of CWD cases in the state of Louisiana to my knowledge. So logically speaking if there are no reports of CWD.....and you can't bring deer across state lines then where will CWD come from?

Now let's be more realistic, could people illegally just bring breeder deer in from out of state? Sure but why risk their herd and financial investment? I mean if you want northern deer that bad, there are cheaper methods to introduce those genetics these days without transporting live deer.

So I continue to ask where will CWD come from? Hunters now must prepare out of state kills in a manner that reduces CWD. Does it eliminate the possibility that CWD may come home with them, NO it does not and the fact is that more deer come across state lines by hunters bringing in wild deer than any other method.
In addition to hunters, what about migratory birds such as Black Vultures, raptors and owls that feed on these northern animals and then fly south for the winter? Are they bringing CWD here? Who knows?

The point of this long response is to say there is more to the story than just a knee jerk reaction to high fence operations being the culprit of CWD. Do they play a part, yes, but they are not the only thing to consider in negative press about CWD.