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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters

Posted on 1/30/20 at 11:57 am to
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
26033 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 11:57 am to
The USACOE already said the control structure would be removed due to future litigation concerns over flooding the land so that lock is coming out.
Posted by KemoSabe65
70605
Member since Mar 2018
5189 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:22 pm to
Does this make it to scotus or does the state throw in the towel and pay up?
Correct me but there doesn’t have to be water for acceptance into the mitigation bank, plenty of Beauregard and Vernon pines in the bank.
Dry it out, pull levees and gravity flood after that corn has headed out. Start a coop to install da nets.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81693 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

the control structure
The one on the diversion canal?
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81693 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

Does this make it to scotus or does the state throw in the towel and pay up?
I don't think there is a scotus issue. All the State owes now is the money from the mineral leases. Not sure if they will pay or not. Pretty sure they can just ignore it if they want. The legislature would have to vote to pay it or some such. I don't get involved in that kind of thing.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30678 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

ahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
The USACOE already said the control structure would be removed due to future litigation concerns over flooding the land so that lock is coming ou
where have they said this?
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81693 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 1:10 pm to
quote:

The lock on Black River south of Jonesville would've made Catahoula Lake a permanent lake w/o the Diversion Canal.

I did not realize this until after you posted. I guess I thought the weir at Archie was more important. Even after confirming it, I still can visualize why. Anyway, found this,

quote:

The most important change at Catahoula Lake was a set of locks and dams in the Black River completed in 1972, which would have permanently inundated the lake.

For the seasonal drawdown, an 18-mile canal was constructed to allow the lake to drain below the locks, and a water control structure was added to allow control of water in the lake. Management of this structure has been according to a strict prescription for annual fluctuations in water levels developed by the agencies concerned and is presently accomplished as a cooperative endeavor by the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries and the Army Corps of Engineers.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13970 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

I did not realize this until after you posted. I guess I thought the weir at Archie was more important. Even after confirming it, I still can visualize why.
The Black River Lock was installed in conjunction with the locks at Columbia, and Felsenthal in order to put a minimum 9' depth channel on the Ouachita - the goal was to get barge navigation/traffic to Camden, AR. This L & D system affects (adversely for wildlife/waterfowl particularly IMO) the Black River, Little River, Tensas River, and Ouachita River.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81693 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 1:27 pm to
Right, but if the water is below the weir, the dam on the black isn't affecting the lake anymore. I am guessing I will eventually understand-I just have to be walked through it
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13970 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

Right, but if the water is below the weir, the dam on the black isn't affecting the lake anymore. I am guessing I will eventually understand-I just have to be walked through it
I'll have to ponder the significance of the Archie weir.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81693 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:08 pm to
This is interesting from Sanders v. Placid Oil,

quote:

Accordingly, we hold that the evidence in this case fully supports the district court's finding that Catahoula Lake is, in fact, a navigable water of the United States, and it follows that as a matter of law, admiralty jurisdiction attaches. The judgment of the district court is

AFFIRMED.


Talk about the flow.

quote:

...the Little River, which is formed by the meeting of the Dudgdemona River and Bayou Castor, flows in a southerly direction into the lowlands that become Catahoula Lake at high water. From Catahoula Lake the water is discharged through several tributaries and distributaries until the tributaries finally rejoin into one channel at Archie, Louisiana. In May 1972, engineers of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers completed a diversion canal over one of the distributaries that acts as a permanent dam structure, foreclosing navigation except during flood stages. In 1973, the Corps constructed a weir across the span of the Little River at Archie. Thus, the water level of the lake is maintained from the outflow of the lake up to the weir itself at thirty-six feet above sea level. The water level of the lake is controlled by movable gates in the permanent dam across the diversion canal. As a result, when the water level of the Little River is higher than thirty-six feet above sea level, vessels may pass over the weir.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13970 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 4:11 pm to
I get it - the Archie weir is to keep the higher "pool stage" Black River water from bypassing the lock via Cat Lake and the Diversion Canal, when the lake is dry/low, etc.
Posted by ecb
Member since Jul 2010
9354 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 6:32 am to
That I doubt
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81693 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:25 am to
So, the Rapides Parish Police Jury owns the landing at Stock. How many blinds can we build on their extension out in the lake?
Posted by demtigers73
Coastal Club
Member since Aug 2014
5529 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 12:17 pm to
Damn, LA SC rules Catahoula is private land and that the state owes $38 million to land owners.
Posted by KemoSabe65
70605
Member since Mar 2018
5189 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 1:21 pm to
JBE ghana cancel some shite to pay dat bill.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 1:22 pm to
There goes LSU football...
Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
Member since Aug 2011
8615 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 1:29 pm to
I’ll bring some beer over and get you to explain all this shite to me
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81693 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 1:42 pm to
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LA SC rules Catahoula is private land and that the state owes $38 million to land owners
No, read the new opinion.
Posted by demtigers73
Coastal Club
Member since Aug 2014
5529 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 1:50 pm to
I heard it on the news at 12 today, is there something since then?
Posted by Gingersnap
Natchitoches
Member since Dec 2012
900 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

Duck hunting is piss poor on black lake and saline


It was once alright for the first split but I haven’t hunted it in years. Dem white perch tho.
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