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re: ATF to rule AR/AK braces as AOW. Update in OP
Posted on 10/28/20 at 7:28 am to civiltiger07
Posted on 10/28/20 at 7:28 am to civiltiger07
That's if you buy it that way. If you form 1, it's $200. At least that's the way I understand it.
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Posted on 10/28/20 at 7:31 am to SneakyWaff1es
So what if it's just a gun I have already and technically I bought it in two pieces?
Posted on 10/28/20 at 7:49 am to civiltiger07
to be fair, we haven't heard anything from the ATF, yet. i wouldn't do anything until we do.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 7:52 am to finchmeister08
Yea there’s zero reason to build your own AOW. You might as well form 1 a SBR or SBS because it’s still going to cost $200 to make an AOW on a form 1 but you still can’t put a stock on it. An AOW only makes sense if you’re buying it already built on a form 4 because then the stamp only costs $5.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 7:57 am to finchmeister08
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to be fair, we haven't heard anything from the ATF, yet. i wouldn't do anything until we do.
I'm not sure I'm planning on doing anything even if the ATF does change this.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 9:12 am to civiltiger07
So, he said braced weapon. What if your pistol is in one room, and the brace is in another?
Posted on 10/28/20 at 10:01 am to SpeckledTiger
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How does the ATF go about notifying the public of this rule change?
They won't notify anyone. They refused to specify what qualifies as a brace previously.
It's going to be another one of those laws that they will use against you if they ever want to.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 10:19 am to seawolf06
If I ever do end up with one, no one will know it exists until shite goes so wrong none of those laws will matter any way.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 10:26 am to AlxTgr
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What if your pistol is in one room, and the brace is in another?
This is what Q sent to their customers when the ATF shut their pistol down.
Complete one of the following:
Remove the barreled upper receiver from the lower receiver and dedicate it as a replacement
for another AR-style pistol or registered short-barreled rifle; or
If you do not possess another AR-style pistol or registered short-barreled rifle, remove the barreled upper receiver from the lower receiver and temporarily transfer it out of your possession by, for example, transferring it to the dominion and control of another individual; and
Once the previous step is completed, you may file an ATF Form 1 to register the lower receiver as a short-barreled rifle. Upon Form 1 approval, the firearm may be reassembled.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 10:30 am to jdavid1
That just doesn't seem right.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 11:09 am to AlxTgr
Nothing the ATF does seems right.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 6:12 pm to jdavid1
If this goes into affect and assuming I built a braced pistol from a stripped lower, can I just purchase a 16" upper and a stock and no longer be in violation of NFA?
Was looking at multiple uppers anyway.
Was looking at multiple uppers anyway.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 6:23 pm to Chilton4Bama
Yes. You can always turn a pistol into a rifle by either installing a 16”+ barrel or have a barrel extension/ muzzle device permanently attached that brings the barrel length up to 16”+.
So yea you could put a rifle length upper on a pistol lower and be good to go even with adding a stock. The only thing you could get in trouble for is if an ATF agent was ever really pissed off at you for some reason they could try to nail you for “constructive intent” if you still had the pistol upper and a rifle lower in your house, even if they weren’t assembled together at the time.
So yea you could put a rifle length upper on a pistol lower and be good to go even with adding a stock. The only thing you could get in trouble for is if an ATF agent was ever really pissed off at you for some reason they could try to nail you for “constructive intent” if you still had the pistol upper and a rifle lower in your house, even if they weren’t assembled together at the time.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 6:32 pm to AlxTgr
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when you see people using braces like a stock(like I would really like to do) you have to realize there isn't enough difference from an SBR for them to have a different status
Intent of a minority of users should not reclassify an attachment.
Ever.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 6:53 pm to 03GeeTee
Thanks, complete uppers are not serialized correct? Seems like it would take the ATF a lot of work to determine those that had purchased pistol length uppers. All of this for something that in home defense situations is causing no harm.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 7:08 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Intent of a minority of users should not reclassify an attachment.
Ever.
The atf had already issued a statement saying that even if someone was shooting the brace from the shoulder it wasn’t an issue as long as they aren’t modifying the brace.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 7:04 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Yeah, I have not seen intent in play here.
Intent of a minority of users should not reclassify an attachment.
Ever.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 7:13 am to AlxTgr
From the SB Tactical FB Page. It looks like this new ATF interpretation deals with only imported firearms:
Once again the ATF makes no sense in their "rulings". While it looks like the majority of AR Pistol owners are safe for now, I have no doubt the ATF will soon make their next interpretation for domestic firearms.
quote:
One fight at a time... With the recent announcement making its way around Social Media, we wanted to clear up a few things. The recent BATFE “Interpretive Change” has zero, repeat ZERO bearing on US Citizens, their property and currently available to own and purchase pistols and pistol braces. The “Interpretive Change” has been made for the IMPORTATION (coming from outside U.S.) of pistols and how the ATF decides to classify them. Braces are not illegal, you are not a felon for owning one and everything is currently exactly the same as it was on Monday. However... We will acknowledge this is not a good thing, and continue to encourage you to contact your Representatives and Legislators to make your voice heard. If we learned nothing else with Q, LLC it’s that the fight is far from over. One fight at a time guys, if #westandwithQ ends favorably, the next issue will be easier to resolve. Please enjoy your evening.
Once again the ATF makes no sense in their "rulings". While it looks like the majority of AR Pistol owners are safe for now, I have no doubt the ATF will soon make their next interpretation for domestic firearms.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 1:00 pm to BayouBengal51
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I have no doubt the ATF will soon make their next interpretation for domestic firearms.
Of course they will. There is no logical reason to make a distinction between import and domestic braced pistols if this is not the end goal.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:43 pm to SpeckledTiger
quote:hehe
There is no logical reason
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