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re: Assumption Parish sink hole environmental impact: Links in OP
Posted on 8/15/12 at 11:26 am to FelicianaTigerfan
Posted on 8/15/12 at 11:26 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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Any chance the relief well causes instability and possible causes it to grow more?
I'm no engineer but that seems like it could happen
Posted on 8/15/12 at 11:34 am to tgrbaitn08
Seeing how close the platform is made me think about that. That thing grows and takes out the relief well and they'd be fricked
Posted on 8/15/12 at 12:06 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
I'd be more worried about the relief well pressuring down the leaky well and then allowing it to collapse.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 12:15 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I'm a Missouri resident who just happened upon this thread. I've Googled this and it seems pretty serious.
Is the sinkhole close to any major population areas or major highways?
If the salt dome collapses, what sort of disaster are experts predicting? I came upon an animation that appeared to indicate that the underground salt dome is incredibly huge.
I'm imagining a nightmare scenario if the dome collapses. Am I wrong?
Is the sinkhole close to any major population areas or major highways?
If the salt dome collapses, what sort of disaster are experts predicting? I came upon an animation that appeared to indicate that the underground salt dome is incredibly huge.
I'm imagining a nightmare scenario if the dome collapses. Am I wrong?
This post was edited on 8/15/12 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 8/15/12 at 12:16 pm to mizzoukills
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nightmare scenario
Not likely. It isn't full of radioactive waste or anything.
A total collapse is also not very likely.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 12:30 pm to mizzoukills
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Assumption Parish sink hole environmental impact I'm a Missouri resident who just happened upon this thread. I've Googled this and it seems pretty serious. Is the sinkhole close to any major population areas or major highways? If the salt dome collapses, what sort of disaster are experts predicting? I came upon an animation that appeared to indicate that the underground salt dome is incredibly huge. I'm imagining a nightmare scenario if the dome collapses. Am I wrong?
The major metropolis' of Paincourtville and Pierre Part are in dire danger...
It could be bad, but most of it is under a swamp with few human inhabitants. Worse case is it will damage a few houses and sections of hwy along with some good fishing holes. At least that is what I understand. I know they have several pipelines in the area so hopefully they'll be okay.
Look on YouTube for a video of Lake Peignur. The doomsdayers are expecting that type of disaster.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 12:34 pm to Slickback
...As authorities have already warned of potential radiation and explosions, fears have been prompted by bubbling in the water. The sinkhole is near areas where there has been exploration for oil and gas in the past, which would make the presence of low levels of naturally occurring radioactive material possible, according to ABC News.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 12:36 pm to mizzoukills
Obviously you can't rule out the worst case scenario, but it's highly unlikely.
Some economic impact is very likely.
Some environmental impact is pretty likely. There's a whole bunch of brine water involved with what's going on.
Some economic impact is very likely.
Some environmental impact is pretty likely. There's a whole bunch of brine water involved with what's going on.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 12:53 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Well, I hope for the best. Good luck.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 12:55 pm to mizzoukills
It'll be a while before all the details come out. There's just no way to really know EVERYTHING that's going on down there. You can't just stick a camera in there and look.
It'll be interesting. Hopefully all turns out well.
It'll be interesting. Hopefully all turns out well.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 12:59 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
where do the radiation fears come from?
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:00 pm to Crawdaddy
Naturally occuring radioactive material in the earth I'm pretty sure.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:07 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Naturally occuring radioactive material in the earth I'm pretty sure.
If you've ever dealt with LA DOC before, NORM can mean anything as simple as rust. I really wouldn't be concerned with too much if they are only indicating that NORM is a problem. The brine water itself would be much more hazardous to the plants and vegetation. I think the caution right now is the fact that over 900,000 barrels of liquid propane is being stored by Crosstex very near this collapse and fears are that further instability could cause issues with that storage facility.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:28 pm to TigerDog83
Supposedly less than 20 cubic feet of NORM in that cavity
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:33 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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You can't just stick a camera in there and look.
That is actually part of the purpose of the release well. They'll basically drop sonar down the bore and scan all the way down. Not exactly a camera, but it will definitely help build a model of the surrounding structure.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:34 pm to TigerDog83
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I think the caution right now is the fact that over 900,000 barrels of liquid propane is being stored by Crosstex very near this collapse and fears are that further instability could cause issues with that storage facility.
I thought it was liquid butane
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:36 pm to Jester
could this turn into a deep inland salt water lake?
Guess I better start reading up on what is happening
Guess I better start reading up on what is happening
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:42 pm to mizzoukills
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Is the sinkhole close to any major population areas or major highways?
It depends on your definitions of major pertaining to both. The towns around that area are pretty small. The highways are also fairly small, but they do have some strategic importance for industries in the area.
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If the salt dome collapses, what sort of disaster are experts predicting? I came upon an animation that appeared to indicate that the underground salt dome is incredibly huge
Nobody expects a collapse of the full dome. Basically, most of the salt is still in place. Collapse will come proportional (for the most part) to the size of the voids (caverns/wells) within the dome. As it stands, the big issues you are looking at are the creation of a lake, salt intrusion into freshwater swamps (ecological disaster), and release caused by structural failure of nearby wells/caverns or pipelines.
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I'm imagining a nightmare scenario if the dome collapses. Am I wrong?
There is only one nightmare scenario for me, but it would take a chain of serious failures, which are highly unlikely in my opinion. The big fear is the release of the contents of other caverns. I don't know what they are all holding, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that some really nasty stuff has been hidden away in that dome.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:45 pm to Jester
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I thought it was liquid butane
That's correct
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:53 pm to Crawdaddy
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could this turn into a deep inland salt water lake?
Guess I better start reading up on what is happening
Deep? No, think about it this way. South Louisiana is built from silt for the most part. Try building a steep mound of mud. It's not going to happen. It will eventually slide to a lower Angle of Repose. I would expect it to get wider and shallower. Now, most of it is apparently only like 50' deep. The 400+ foot depth is more like a narrow rabbit hole. All of that said, I do not know the geology of that area.
Salt? Yes, however, that would cause serious problems with the nearby waterways. I would expect that the final remediation will include cycling fresh water into the new lake while pumping out the brinier water. The salinity will need to be brought down in time for spring and the high waters that could push that high-salinity water into the surrounding swamps.
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ETA - I think I should clarify that it depends on how you define deep. It may very well end up being 35-40 feet deep, which is pretty damn deep for down here, but not a "deep lake" by geological standards (think Great Lakes).
This post was edited on 8/15/12 at 2:02 pm
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