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Arizona bans trail cams…..

Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:44 pm
Posted by sawtooth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:44 pm
“ In a June 11 meeting, the state’s five-member Game and Fish Commission voted unanimously to ban the use of trail cameras “for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife, or locating wildlife for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife.” In other words, for pretty much everything a hunter would use a trail camera for. The ban goes into effect January 1, 2022. ”

In this case the state said they wanted to reduce hunter conflict at the few remaining watering holes. Some have argued that they do promote fair chase. Is this going to be a new trend amongst the states? I have to assume that plenty of money is spent on this equipment which generates taxes and business for suppliers. What say you?

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This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 2:45 pm
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:47 pm to
I generally hate New laws but I also hate trail cameras.

Should only be banned on public land IMO.
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
6448 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:54 pm to
I only use them for birds, coons, pigs... I can't keep the deer out of the frame..
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11477 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:56 pm to
I'm wondering if the ban on private property will be able to hold up.
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32025 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 2:58 pm to
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I'm wondering if the ban on private property will be able to hold up.


No clue how lol. Not sure why it is a big deal anyway. Could see ban on the wifi ones, but not sd ones
Posted by ChandlerB03
Natchez, MS
Member since Nov 2015
1790 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:00 pm to
What’s the hate for them?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20543 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:06 pm to
How is this going to be enforced? Honestly curious? Obviously you wouldn’t be able to post trail camera pictures of harvested animals. But they are only illegal to hunt, not for wildlife photography.

So if you aren’t caught checking your trail camera or with pictures in the area you are hunting?

I mean I could set up cameras in Unit D and only have tags for units A, B, and C and not be doing anything illegal right?

I enjoy using trail cameras hunting or not.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11477 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:08 pm to
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What’s the hate for them?


With the cell versions the theory is that folks will get a pic sent to there phone and head out to take the animal. There's also stories about 30 or 40 cameras being set up at waterholes and hunters checking knuckles over them.

Posted by The Last Coco
On the water
Member since Mar 2009
6842 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:08 pm to
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What’s the hate for them?

In western states, it's not uncommon to see a handful or more in 1 spot on public land because the water is so limited. It creates hunter conflict when so many people are focused on one small area and pattern the big game expecting to show up and hunt only to my assholes to elbows with the other people doing the same thing.

On public land in LA, TX and OK, I've never had an issue with that.
Posted by GATORGAR247
Member since Aug 2017
993 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:10 pm to
Not only fighting over the water hole but so many people showing up all hours of the day and night keeping animals from drinking. Only so many spots to water in the desert.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 3:11 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20543 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:12 pm to
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Not only fighting over the water hole but so many people showing up all hours of the day and night keeping animals from drinking. Only so many spots to water in the desert.



While I agree with that in theory, an argument could be made that the cameras (eta: meant increase not decrease) increase human activity in certain areas. With a trail camera you can set it and leave the area alone. If you are scouting without trail cameras, you’d be required to visit an area more often.

This creates more activity for the hunters working hard, but probably less for lazier guys.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 4:31 pm
Posted by SaDaTayMoses
Member since Oct 2005
4324 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:14 pm to
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Arizona bans trail cams…..


Is this why Jay Johnson came to LSU?
Posted by ChandlerB03
Natchez, MS
Member since Nov 2015
1790 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:14 pm to
Makes perfect sense. Never thought of it from that aspect
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5152 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:29 pm to
It leads to conflict in Louisiana also. Baw goes to hunt an area and baw 2 says this is his spot because his trail camera is there

No matter his you slice it, it’s personal property left unattended

Cellular cameras are not what I would consider fair chase. Sit in your recliner at the camp, get a pic texted that a gobbler is strutting in your chufa plot. Crawl out the camp and sneak him real quick. Not fair chase

Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
5685 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:36 pm to
I’ve seen pictures of 20+ cameras on one waterhole. I see the problem, but I’ve also seen some amazing mule deer pics from Arizona trail cams.
Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
2018 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:38 pm to
Here in CenTex, a pig page is the start of some great fun.
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6854 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

Cellular cameras are not what I would consider fair chase. Sit in your recliner at the camp, get a pic texted that a gobbler is strutting in your chufa plot. Crawl out the camp and sneak him real quick. Not fair chase



That's not even turkey hunting.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11477 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:46 pm to
quote:

Sit in your recliner at the camp, get a pic texted that a gobbler is strutting in your chufa plot. Crawl out the camp and sneak him real quick. Not fair chase



I agree, it isn't hunting. IDK how they will justify banning it or enforcing it on private property so IDK if it's even worth attempting to ban there. I think it should be banned 100% on public land because

quote:

No matter his you slice it, it’s personal property left unattended
Posted by GATORGAR247
Member since Aug 2017
993 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:53 pm to
Not with 30 guides going to check their cameras. Cell cameras don't work that far away from the city .
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5152 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

I agree, it isn't hunting. IDK how they will justify banning it or enforcing it on private property so IDK if it's even worth attempting to ban there. I think it should be banned 100% on public land because


It wouldn’t be hard to ban on private land. The wildlife doesn’t belong to the private landowner. Just use the fair chase argument
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