re: Appeals court rules corner crossing is not trespassing

Rip's gonna take them to the train station.

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He's a hedge fund bro so probably a douche.

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can confirm a lot of hedge fund bros are douches.

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They also believe they “own it” because they have the grazing lease. OnX has drastically changed the game. Previously, if a rancher pulled up and accused you of trespassing, you were likely to believe him due to the difficulty of knowing exactly where you were at.

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Odds are pretty good that they haven't paid for the grazing lease in years if ever...at best BLM and Reclamation claim that only about 40% of grazing fees are kept current at any given moment in time and may are years behind. When many of the ranches are taken to task about it they claim they haven't grazed the land and seldom does any one have any evidence that they have...but somehow their cows are fat and sassy and they have no record of buying sufficient feed for them....strange that LOL. The number of inspectors and regulators is so low that it would take about 70 years for every lease to audited and reviewed...by design and through lobbying to keep the regulators crippled for all intents and purposes...

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Rip's gonna take them to the train station.

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Those scenes in Yellowstone where people are trespassing on Dutton land are not written without some experience in such matters....that is EXACTLY the way the landowners would act....despite there being NOTHING indicating that the "trespasser" was 9 inches on the wrong side of a line which is not marked. Some will be pretty nice about it....most will not, they will act as if the "trespasser" is an existential threat of the rankest order.....and they will act that way over 100% public land IF they sense the "trespasser" might not know exactly where he is and what his rights are.....

Not only this, but a Wyoming resident is required to be present whenever a non-resident is hunting national forests. These land owners that have access blocked with their private land, essentially use the public land for outfitting services and make huge amounts of money on conservation programs that sportsmen are footing the bill for but can't access.

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Not only this, but a Wyoming resident is required to be present whenever a non-resident is hunting national forests.

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I did not know that...that is a bunch of old bullshite but I guess its the states responsibility to manage their game even if it is on federal land. Still a bunch of bullshite.

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These land owners that have access blocked with their private land, essentially use the public land for outfitting services and make huge amounts of money on conservation programs that sportsmen are footing the bill for but can't access.

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This is definitely my experience, especially in New Mexico, Washington State, Idaho and Oregon. Almost all Elk outfitters in New Mexico own or lease a couple of thousand acres and control access to 10's of thousands of acres of public land where the get an incredible amount of money outfitting folks wanting to shoot an Elk. I get it, everybody has to earn a living and if you want to shoot an Elk bad enough and money is not really an issue it is the best solution most likely. It is still pretty damned underhanded though....

Its almost as bad with upland game and waterfowl....water in most of the region is scarce and anywhere there is even a small amount of water (I have flushed ducks off truck ruts in New Mexico....hand to God) there are almost always 2 things....birds and a landowner blocking access to them.....even when the water is not on their place. They will even stoop to placing no trespassing signs adjacent to water on public land and will, if you know better thanks to OnX, often challenge you about your "trespassing". This wasn't as bad in New Mexico as the other states mentioned because New Mexico is very sparsely populated and even land owners are often unaware of the high quality duck hunting available in what appears to be a desert wasteland. They will often grant permission to cross their land or even hunt their land because they are amazed someone wants to shoot ducks or geese on their place. They know about Cranes though LOL....

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The ranch owner sounds like a really difficult individual to like. He sued someone who criticized him online, attempted to sue these hunters in both civil and criminal courts. This ruling seems logical on its face.

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You can’t sue someone in criminal court.

Seems to me this ruling will only help the common man for as long as it takes the wealthy owner's ranch hands to install 15ft fences at the corners.


Maybe person drone helicopters will become a thing and affordable in the next decade.

Buck, that’s incorrect. That only applies to Wyoming wilderness areas. Still bullshite, but not nearly all of the National Forest land in Wyoming.

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Seems to me this ruling will only help the common man for as long as it takes the wealthy owner's ranch hands to install 15ft fences at the corners.

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I’d say the corners aren’t fence because the ranchers have a grazing lease on the Gov land. You baws need to out bid him next renewal.