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re: Alumacraft Hull Cracks, UPDATE IN ORIGINAL POST
Posted on 7/2/19 at 2:59 pm to 603freeman
Posted on 7/2/19 at 2:59 pm to 603freeman
I would be more than happy to help. I went the whole way with them and had the boat fixed. By the time we were finished they wanted my dad to sign a document saying he would never buy an alumacraft boat again. We of course didn’t sign it. If you’d like you can email me at erik@dejeannoland.com
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Posted on 7/3/19 at 6:15 am to Murtown
Sue them for what? He is the second owner, how do you know the first owner did not compromise the hull?
Posted on 7/3/19 at 6:36 am to Murtown
Are they paying to de rig and re rig the boat plus freight?
Now I was the original owner of my boat which probably made a difference.
Years ago I had a 1991 Fisher Marsh Hawk riveted boat made by Brunswick Marine. My nephew liked mine a lot and bought a similar 1992 boat no issues sold it this year. Mine had 3 rivet leaks. They picked the boat up, de rigged it, fixed it, re rigged it at no cost to me. A tornado hit the plant and destroyed my boat they could not replace it with a Fisher boat.
Brunswick Marine (Mercury Marine back then) called offered me any new and size Starcraft, Monark, Astro, or Spectrum in the same class I wanted no charge. Went with Monark one size larger, new 115 hp Mercury step up from 75 hp, factory galvanized trailer, and a longer warranty. Delivered it to my dealer in California in 5 days. Worked with lender to change loan information. I was impressed how they handled their warranty and paperwork.
Now I was the original owner of my boat which probably made a difference.
Years ago I had a 1991 Fisher Marsh Hawk riveted boat made by Brunswick Marine. My nephew liked mine a lot and bought a similar 1992 boat no issues sold it this year. Mine had 3 rivet leaks. They picked the boat up, de rigged it, fixed it, re rigged it at no cost to me. A tornado hit the plant and destroyed my boat they could not replace it with a Fisher boat.
Brunswick Marine (Mercury Marine back then) called offered me any new and size Starcraft, Monark, Astro, or Spectrum in the same class I wanted no charge. Went with Monark one size larger, new 115 hp Mercury step up from 75 hp, factory galvanized trailer, and a longer warranty. Delivered it to my dealer in California in 5 days. Worked with lender to change loan information. I was impressed how they handled their warranty and paperwork.
This post was edited on 7/3/19 at 7:18 am
Posted on 7/3/19 at 6:38 am to ecb
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Sue them for what? He is the second owner, how do you know the first owner did not compromise the hull?
This. Original owner could have easily caused stress cracks that didn’t start leaking until later on.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 7:25 am to Murtown
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Full disclosure I'm a lawyer and getting ready to sue them for him.
Going to pile on here. That's a bullshite move. They would have keel hauled you in court but didnt bother because it's cheaper to fix the boat than fight a chickenshit case.
It's a very light duty aluminum boat. It will crack if its abused.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 7:28 am to baldona
I agree I had rivet boats and welded boats.
Rivet boats.
-1986 Monark no rivet leaks
-1991 Fisher Marine had 3 rivet leaks in the rear.
- The replacement Monark boat is a 1992 boat same bull as Fisher.
The guy who has it now still does not have leaks.
I guess riveted boats flex more with thinner gauge aluminum. Some boats leak over time.
I had a few welded boats.
Each one from Duracraft to Louisiana Traveler all had some type of cracked welds.
They always fixed them when I brought them back to the dealer.
I guess with thinner gauge aluminum and being stiff they crack more.
I guess in thinner gauge aluminum you going to have issues over time if you run in a chop.
Rivet boats.
-1986 Monark no rivet leaks
-1991 Fisher Marine had 3 rivet leaks in the rear.
- The replacement Monark boat is a 1992 boat same bull as Fisher.
The guy who has it now still does not have leaks.
I guess riveted boats flex more with thinner gauge aluminum. Some boats leak over time.
I had a few welded boats.
Each one from Duracraft to Louisiana Traveler all had some type of cracked welds.
They always fixed them when I brought them back to the dealer.
I guess with thinner gauge aluminum and being stiff they crack more.
I guess in thinner gauge aluminum you going to have issues over time if you run in a chop.
This post was edited on 7/3/19 at 7:31 am
Posted on 7/3/19 at 7:57 am to Murtown
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Murtown
How long have you been practicing law?
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:14 am to Janky
Apparently not long enough to realize you don't deal with family or touch frivolous lawsuits.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 8:21 am to X123F45
I am not trying to be a prick, but this whole came off as a recent grad trying to thump his chest.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 9:39 am to johnnyrocket
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I guess with thinner gauge aluminum and being stiff they crack more.
I guess in thinner gauge aluminum you going to have issues over time if you run in a chop.
Yea you will. They just dont have enough structure to handle repeated beating. Its pretty much accepted by normal people that a riveted or lightweight welded aluminum hull is going to start leaking at some point in its life. It's not a design flaw or anything, They have a price point to hit and do a good job of it.
If you want a boat that isnt going to leak you'll pay twice what those lower priced hulls cost.
A company like Alumacraft has been around for a long time and have been selling low price boats for a long time. It's good to hear that they would rather fix a boat than skull drag a customer through court because that would have definitely happened here.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 10:53 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Google him.
So is that a bulova or tissot chrono you have Erik?
So is that a bulova or tissot chrono you have Erik?
This post was edited on 7/3/19 at 10:54 am
Posted on 7/3/19 at 11:17 am to Murtown
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the boat is on its way to the factory in Arkansas free of charge for repair. I will let everyone know how the repairs go when he gets the boat back.
make sure they X-ray the hull
Posted on 7/3/19 at 11:28 am to cgrand
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make sure they X-ray the hull
You want them to xray a second owner boat that was worth at most 5k before the company stepped up to fix something that wasn't their fault to begin with?
I'm gonna send my second hand hipoint back to the factory because the frame has stress cracks... It doesn't matter if the previous owner shot +p+ ammo out of it. I bought it and it should work.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 12:13 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Lot of shite talking here. My Dad had a problem and I got it fixed. Simple as that. Was just offering to help the next guy. Not usually like this on the outdoor board.
This post was edited on 7/3/19 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 7/3/19 at 12:17 pm to X123F45
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So is that a bulova or tissot chrono you have Erik?
That watch was an Armani. I bought a rolex oyster perpetual datejust in January. I love it. Bought it used from a family member but had hardly never been worn.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 12:30 pm to Murtown
Do you normally do lemon law type stuff or did you just handle this because of your dad's interest?
This post was edited on 7/3/19 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 7/3/19 at 12:51 pm to Murtown
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Lot of shite talking here. My Dad had a problem and I got it fixed. Simple as that. Was just offering to help the next guy. Not usually like this on the outdoor board.
The shite talking is because you took a sleezy tactic of harassing a company who did nothing wrong.
Your threats to sue would have cost them more time and money than simply fixing your boat. They fixed it...at the end of a knife.
All while they could have told you to kick rocks.
I get that you're young, but ethically this was a poor call.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 12:52 pm to diat150
That is the first case I have handled like that, but I handle many types of civil litigation. It's called redhibition in Louisiana.
There are a lot of salty people on here for some reason that have no idea what the law is. There is a manufacturing defect on these boats and they know it. Manufacturing defect doesn't matter if you are the first or second owner. A manufacturer is deemed to be a bad faith seller if it has a manufacturing defect. Thus, they do not have to be given the opportunity to repair the movable as a good faith seller does. However, we of course chose to give them that option. It did not affect his rights in filing a lawsuit later.
Bottom line is after much negotiation and logistics talk they took the damaged boat to Arkansas for free, fixed and reinforced the hull for free and the boat is now fine. I have fished out of it multiple times since then with no problems. I guess half the people on here think he should have just chalked it up as a loss instead of doing something about it. There was nothing frivolous about it.
There are a lot of salty people on here for some reason that have no idea what the law is. There is a manufacturing defect on these boats and they know it. Manufacturing defect doesn't matter if you are the first or second owner. A manufacturer is deemed to be a bad faith seller if it has a manufacturing defect. Thus, they do not have to be given the opportunity to repair the movable as a good faith seller does. However, we of course chose to give them that option. It did not affect his rights in filing a lawsuit later.
Bottom line is after much negotiation and logistics talk they took the damaged boat to Arkansas for free, fixed and reinforced the hull for free and the boat is now fine. I have fished out of it multiple times since then with no problems. I guess half the people on here think he should have just chalked it up as a loss instead of doing something about it. There was nothing frivolous about it.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 12:54 pm to X123F45
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but ethically this was a poor call.
Didn't harass anyone. They had the option to litigate if they wanted to. Should he have just pushed the boat in the river and be done with it?
Are you a lawyer? Obviously not because you have no idea how big companies and especially big insurance companies work. It's ok though if you ever have a boat problem just give me a call I will still help you.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 1:21 pm to Murtown
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There are a lot of salty people on here for some reason that have no idea what the law is. There is a manufacturing defect on these boats and they know it.
All we were saying was we don't see how you are proving its a manufacturing defect and not from use? Just because it didn't leak when your dad bought it, doesn't mean neither owner caused it. You likely never would have looked for the cracks unless it leaked.
Just because they are fixing it, doesn't mean they are admitting an issue. They are admitting its cheaper and easier for them to fix it then deal with you.
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