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RetiredSaintsLsuFan
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re: 9MM Ammo?
Being 38 special ammo is impossible to find I am hoping my wife likes the S&W 9MM Shield enough to categorize it as her gun. If so I will order some more 9MM rounds. I have a bunch of reloads to let her shoot it.


HighlyFavoredTiger
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re: 9MM Ammo?
FYI, PrecisionOne has .38 Special 125gr FMJ listed on their site for $18.99 for a 50 box (47 in stock-.38 cents a round) and 250 packs for $89.99 (6 in stock). Should be good practice ammo and there’s very little available anywhere else that I’ve looked. I ordered .40 cal from them a couple weeks ago, haven’t shot any yet but it looks good and was priced good for current supply shortages.
Only blip was FedEx shipping took 11 days to get it to me and I’m only 14 hours from their factory, so expect possible delays in delivery


lsufan1971
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re: 9MM Ammo?
SG Ammo has HST back in stock They have some Winchester Ranger as well.

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RetiredSaintsLsuFan
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re: 9MM Ammo?
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SG Ammo has HST back in stock They have some Winchester Ranger as well.



What is the difference between the HST loads and the non-HST loads?

Also how are these

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lsufan1971
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re: 9MM Ammo?
I don’t carry JHP in a 380. There isn’t enough penetration. I carry Underwood extreme penetrator.


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TigerB8
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re: 9MM Ammo?
I have the S&W M&P Performance Center 2.0 .40 cal as my CC. It couples with my Ruger P94 .40 cal. i use hornady personal defense in house and use federal at the range.


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bapple
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re: 9MM Ammo?
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What is the difference between the HST loads and the non-HST loads?


HST is Federal’s most modern hollow point design. It used to be called Hydra-Shock but I’m not sure what HST stands for.

Ranger is one of Winchester’s modern hollow point designs. There’s also the PDX1 which is very similar.

Either of those designs is good for self defense and have been proven.


cdaniel76
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re: 9MM Ammo?
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It used to be called Hydra-Shock but I’m not sure what HST stands for.


Hydra-Shok is still available. It wasn't replaced by HST. HST was designed by the same person who designed Hydra-Shok. Here's something I came across in a review from 2017:

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In 2002, Federal Premium introduced its HST ammunition, which was intended for—and sales were restricted to—law enforcement. This "tactical" ammunition featured a new bullet designated "HST." Some hypothesized the abbreviation stood for "Hi-Shok Two," but in reality it was just a name. It was, however, a name that gained a stellar reputation on the street. This should not come as a surprise, considering bullet-engineering guru Tom Burczynski, of Hydra-Shok and EFMJ fame, worked on this new project.
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creolechef
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re: 9MM Ammo?
Anyone used that IMI from Israel HP ammo before? Decent stuff or stick with Speer and Federal?


Scoob
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Anyone used that IMI from Israel HP ammo before? Decent stuff or stick with Speer and Federal?

My understanding is that it performed like FMJ on ballistics tests.
Some ammo, like Geco, use HP's for improved accuracy (I'm not sure how that works, but I've heard it several times), not for end-impact expansion.

I wouldn't "expect" actual expansion from a JHP unless it's a premium round, like Gold Dot or HST. I've got some Federal Classic Hi-Shok in 9mm, it seems to expand on hitting water or gelatine, but when people put denim in front of the target, it usually doesn't expand. And that was once considered a LE round.
I've seen tests of PMC Starfire (which is advertised as defensive rounds), where 5 shots were fired, and not one expanded.


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Scoob
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re: 9MM Ammo?
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FYI, PrecisionOne has .38 Special 125gr FMJ listed on their site for $18.99 for a 50 box (47 in stock-.38 cents a round) and 250 packs for $89.99 (6 in stock)
Not sure about these places, but I suspect any good credit card (with ability to contest charges if no delivery) would make it worthwhile to try.

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cdaniel76
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re: 9MM Ammo?
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Scoob


Your links are to 38 SUPER.

The person you replied to was speaking of 38 SPECIAL.


S1C EM
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re: 9MM Ammo?
You should look for Sellier & Bellot. GREAT stuff, typically cheaper than the ones you’ve listed. I know CZ uses it for all their test firing. Do a little Googling. I researched it when I first found it and was impressed. First box of 1,000 cost me $260. Next two boxes cost me $189 each. Found a better supplier. Sportsman’s Guide if you must know, but they’re out of stock. Price is listed now as $204 per 1,000.


bapple
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re: 9MM Ammo?
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In 2002, Federal Premium introduced its HST ammunition, which was intended for—and sales were restricted to—law enforcement


I'm so glad we're out of this dark time period where law enforcement got the holy grail of ammo to protect themselves against the same criminals the average citizen could face.

Thanks for the info.


S1C EM
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re: 9MM Ammo?
Check out the Fort Scott TUI ammo. My Hornady Critical Duty has been more or less retired. That Fort Scott stuff is badass. Picked it up in 9mm and 45ACP as my new defensive round of choice.


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Scoob
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re: 9MM Ammo?
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Your links are to 38 SUPER.

The person you replied to was speaking of 38 SPECIAL.
oh shite.

That was from a 38 Special wikiarms search, they mixed both in. Damn, glad I didn't buy.

I did find some 38 Special last night for someone (mother in law), ended up being a bit pricey. PPU 158gr LRN, box of 50, $16. Ordered 2 boxes, got tagged with $20 UPS shipping... but also got a shipping notice today. Little collector's shop in Maine, they have lots of stuff for surplus guns, and some ammo. LibertyTreeCollectors dot com.


RetiredSaintsLsuFan
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Gulf Coast, Alabama
Member since Jun 2020
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re: 9MM Ammo?
The shortage of 38 special ammo is one reason I bought another 9MM handgun. I can still order 9MM where I cannot find any 38 special ammo for personal defense. I was able to get two-20 round boxes before it all disappeared.


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highpockets
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re: 9MM Ammo?
Wish we had an ammo sticky with normal prices on ammo.

From what I see now 9mm range ammo is .30 plus per round. What was the normal price before this last panicky buying spree .18?

JHP .65 plus, what is normal average on that?


prplhze2000
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re: 9MM Ammo?
Good. I needed 38 super


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S1C EM
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Wish we had an ammo sticky with normal prices on ammo.


Wouldn’t be a bad idea.

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From what I see now 9mm range ammo is .30 plus per round. What was the normal price before this last panicky buying spree .18?


I bought my last two cases of 1,000 about a month ago and those were .189 a round. But yes, most are up now. Sportsman’s Guide has had the best pricing across the board, WHEN they have stock. But the stock issue is everyone’s problem right now.


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