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re: 38 Special & 9 MM Ammo?
Posted on 7/7/20 at 6:51 pm to Scoob
Posted on 7/7/20 at 6:51 pm to Scoob
quote:I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's pretty much what I said.
Poster said it's all he has. No, it's not a "bad idea", if that's ALL YOU HAVE. A 9mm FMJ is way better than a knife or a stick IF YOU NEED IT.
quote:Yeah, that's pretty much what I said.
If you have to use it while you're waiting on delivery of hollow-point ammo, that's one thing. Choosing to use it instead of HP ammo is completely different.
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:02 pm to dawg23
quote:
Yeah, that's pretty much what I said.
Dude, we're not enemies here.
Normally, it ain't hard to find a box of defensive ammo. It ain't normal right now. Yes, I was able to score some Gold Dots, not everyone has. Not everyone has extra money to get some, after maybe spending through the nose to get a handgun, which is also getting tough to land.
And, yeah, I, like the rest of our country, am cranky and irritable right now, and want things back to normal. So yeah, I apologize for firing off a little aggressively.
How's this- can we agree that if all you have is FMJ range ammo, that's a perfectly acceptable choice to defend yourself with?
And given the price of ammo in general right now, and particularly "premium" ammo, it might be a good idea to do some research (like that Lucky Gunner link, but don't stop there, keep looking), and find stuff that actually does what it's supposed to do? Because when I look at what that PMC stuff did, and the others, what I see is no more effective than FMJ, but possibly not as reliable, and 3-4 times as expensive.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 10:33 am to Scoob
quote:100% we're not enemies.
Dude, we're not enemies here.
How's this- can we agree that if all you have is FMJ range ammo, that's a perfectly acceptable choice to defend yourself with?
And given the price of ammo in general right now, and particularly "premium" ammo, it might be a good idea to do some research (like that Lucky Gunner link, but don't stop there, keep looking), and find stuff that actually does what it's supposed to do? Because when I look at what that PMC stuff did, and the others, what I see is no more effective than FMJ, but possibly not as reliable, and 3-4 times as expensive.
Your posts are among the most logical and best researched on this board. (And hopefully nobody has enemies here).
I agree with what you're saying - FMJ beats no ammo at all. And I think we both want users to understand the limitations of their ammo.
The odds that we'll actually need to use a firearm for SD are slim - but if we do need to, it's good to remember that handguns are puny compared to shotguns and rifles. So if I'm having to rely on a puny weapon, I want the best handgun ammo that's made (to help level the playing field a little bit).
The Lucky Gunner test data is considered to be good info. There are a lot of "backyard" testing sites that are far less reliable when it comes to picking "the good stuff." I'm sure we both agree that irrespective of the ammo used, the real priority is for us to get good hits.
The "guru" of ballistic testing is Dr. Gary Roberts (DocGKR over on AR15 board). His ammo recommendations are considered by many to be "the Gospel" when it comes to ammo testing. I don't think his findings are going to differ radically from those of the Lucky Gunner. (Although any test can be affected by choice of gun, calibration of the gelatin, choice of barriers, etc).
GocGKR's CredentialsLINK
DocGKR's Opinions
I agree that it's imperative for folks to continue looking for "the good stuff." It's always hard to find in the middle of a panic, but eventually it'll become available at "reasonable" prices.
P.S. No apologies needed - at all. It's hard to read the "tone" of written posts, but I certainly wasn't offended by anything you wrote. If needs to apologize, it's me, for the sarcasm in my earlier reply.
ETA: Updated Link
This post was edited on 7/8/20 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 7/8/20 at 2:41 pm to dawg23
Anyone here have experience with reman (reloads). I found some for a good price on Freedom Munitions but haven't shot reloads in a very long time. They get great reviews on the site and all the new ammo is pretty much sold out.
Found 9mm 115 GR RN Reman - 200 rounds for $75 but wanted to get some input from people who know more about them. Just looking for range rounds - have enough stuff for self defense stashed away at home.
Are reman and reloads the same thing? I admittedly am not very informed on the subject. You gents are a wealth of knowledge and assistance TIA
Found 9mm 115 GR RN Reman - 200 rounds for $75 but wanted to get some input from people who know more about them. Just looking for range rounds - have enough stuff for self defense stashed away at home.
Are reman and reloads the same thing? I admittedly am not very informed on the subject. You gents are a wealth of knowledge and assistance
TIA
Posted on 7/8/20 at 3:37 pm to sweetwaterbilly
Reman just means the brass is once fired instead of brand new. I haven't used Freedom munitions remans, but I've used their hush ammo and have had really good luck with them.
I use Delta precision remans in 40 and 9mm and they are awesome. Their 9mm is way cheaper than Freedom.
I use Delta precision remans in 40 and 9mm and they are awesome. Their 9mm is way cheaper than Freedom.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 9:03 pm to jdavid1
Why is 38 special ammo so hard to find?
Posted on 7/8/20 at 9:26 pm to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
quote:
Why is 38 special ammo so hard to find?
Just a guess, but these are popular with the ladies
Posted on 7/8/20 at 10:10 pm to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
Every popular caliber is hard to find right now. Soon the unpopular ones will be hard to find as well, since the manufacturers are pumping out the tacticool stuff.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 5:12 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Thanks for the replies back.
I knew everyone was getting guns and ammo, but it seemed like 38 special ammo was extra hard to find. When I did find some at TargetSports it was the only place I could find any. Plus it sold out quickly. I wanted to make sure they were not being phased out.
I was able to get my wife two boxes of Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 135 Grain +P Jacketed Hollow Point.
I knew everyone was getting guns and ammo, but it seemed like 38 special ammo was extra hard to find. When I did find some at TargetSports it was the only place I could find any. Plus it sold out quickly. I wanted to make sure they were not being phased out.
I was able to get my wife two boxes of Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 135 Grain +P Jacketed Hollow Point.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 5:30 am
Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:34 am to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
quote:
wanted to make sure they were not being phased out.
You dont have to worry about that with either caliber. Both have been around forever and both are extremely popular.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 11:11 am to dawg23
quote:
dawg23
quote:Definitely.
I'm sure we both agree that irrespective of the ammo used, the real priority is for us to get good hits.
New owners need to understand that no pistol is a death-ray, regardless of ammo. People don't do backflips when hit.
They also need to understand that not all guns will reliably feed all ammo. If you just found a new type of ammo, you BETTER run a few magazines through, and make sure your gun doesn't choke on it. A misfeed when it counts could be fatal. HPs have higher chance of doing that than FMJ. That's a reason I wish they wouldn't sell it in 20 rd boxes; there are going to be people who buy a box and just load a mag up, and never test it.
My opinion, keep your gun loaded with something you KNOW will come out. If you haven't shot at least a full mag (I'd say more), don't rely on it yet.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:22 pm to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
Ammoseek.com searches for you. Have had good luck there before
Posted on 7/10/20 at 1:20 pm to Scoob
quote:This too.
If you haven't shot at least a full mag (I'd say more), don't rely on it yet.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 1:27 pm to thejudge
quote:Ditto. You can set alerts for cpr which is nice. Bought a couple cans of 9mm @ $0.18 a few weeks ago...can't believe that seems like a good deal these days
Ammoseek.com searches for you. Have had good luck there before
Posted on 7/10/20 at 2:05 pm to The Nino
Just a quick public service announcement for those still wanting/needing a 9mm pistol...
James Wayne Firearms on Gunsinternational LINK has Star 30M handguns for $237, free shipping, +3% charge for credit cards.
Star is/was a Spanish brand, now OOB. It was not closed due to bad or crappy guns, they made some great ones.
I have 2 of the 30M's, they are nice and this would be a great price even 6 months ago. It is not a small concealable gun, it's big, solid steel, heavy. Strange safety, in that you can still pull the trigger and drop the hammer, but the firing pin is moved away.
Slide rides inside (like a CZ 75, or Sig 210). It's a heavy gun. 15 rd mags, DA/SA trigger.
I have 2 and plenty of others, but still considering for the price. Due to the heft, it makes shooting 9mm feel like 22lr.
James Wayne Firearms on Gunsinternational LINK has Star 30M handguns for $237, free shipping, +3% charge for credit cards.
Star is/was a Spanish brand, now OOB. It was not closed due to bad or crappy guns, they made some great ones.
I have 2 of the 30M's, they are nice and this would be a great price even 6 months ago. It is not a small concealable gun, it's big, solid steel, heavy. Strange safety, in that you can still pull the trigger and drop the hammer, but the firing pin is moved away.
Slide rides inside (like a CZ 75, or Sig 210). It's a heavy gun. 15 rd mags, DA/SA trigger.
I have 2 and plenty of others, but still considering for the price. Due to the heft, it makes shooting 9mm feel like 22lr.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 4:25 pm to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
You did good to find the Speer Gold Dot 135 gr +P right now because they were hard to find when ammo was plentiful. Online research indicates it performs good in 2-3” barrels and even better in 4” so it should do great in your wife’s 38 Spec. They are what is loaded in my wife’s .38 snubby.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 4:57 pm to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
Psa got some in stock now
Posted on 7/10/20 at 6:51 pm to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
To anyone looking for Federal HST in 9mm:
Target Sports has it in stock ($40 for box of 50). This isn't a terrible price, considering the current state of affairs.
This is the 147 grain HST2 (which I carry): HST
Target Sports has it in stock ($40 for box of 50). This isn't a terrible price, considering the current state of affairs.
This is the 147 grain HST2 (which I carry): HST
Posted on 7/11/20 at 1:34 pm to dawg23
Federal HST vs hydro shok? I can find 38 special in Hydra shok, but not HST.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 5:25 pm to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
quote:Right now you take what you can find. But Hydra-Shok is a cartridge designed 30 years ago and is known for getting clogging up by clothing (which results in limited to no expansion).
Federal HST vs hydro shok? I can find 38 special in Hydra shok, but not HST.
There is a newer version of Hydra-Shok out there, called Hydra-Shok Deep. It has a different bullet design that is supposedly superior to the old Hydra-Shok. But I don't know how it stack up against the HST ammo.
As far as I know HST is still the gold standard.
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