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Posted on 10/30/20 at 5:33 pm to bbvdd
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You think a .223/5.56 will penetrate more walls than shotgun with buckshot?
You really should do more research rather than make assumptions.
It depends on the ammo in the AR too. 55gr and 62gr M855 have tenancy to fragment and tumble because of either design or twist-rate. 55gr is overstabilized in 1:7 twist, M855 tends to fragment at the cannelure. Heavier or differently constructed can have way more penetration. M855A1 is 62gr but designed to retain a heavier slug of material to be barrier blind. 75 - 77gr OTM's will probably penetrate more too.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 8:05 pm to Shexter
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you're SOL at more than 20 feet.
I’ve always been told ( CCP courses) that if you shoot someone who is 20’ or more away from you you open yourself up to more critical criminal and civil action as the “threat” isn’t a threat when that far away. Does anyone know of any actual criminal/civil action to back that up?
Posted on 10/30/20 at 9:40 pm to jlovel7
Inside of the home defense I prefer a shotgun with high brass six shot or something in 45 acp. The risk of going through walls and sustaining collateral damage is less than 5.56mm. Outside of the home an AR 15 is a very good weapon and comes into its own.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 10:12 pm to jlovel7
Yes .223 is great for home defense. Many say it’s the all-around best. I’ve read it does indeed have less wall penetration than buckshot and pistol rounds.
Shotgun will certainly do the job too. I have a hard time believing bird shot from a 12 gauge wouldn’t stop an intruder although of course buck shot will.
A pistol is great for home defense. Use hollow point.
Shotgun will certainly do the job too. I have a hard time believing bird shot from a 12 gauge wouldn’t stop an intruder although of course buck shot will.
A pistol is great for home defense. Use hollow point.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 10:19 pm to tigerinthebueche
Cops use 20’ as the shoot don’t shoot distance because inside of 20’ a guy with a knife will typically be able to stab you if you don’t already have your firearm drawn.
Also AR-15 is excellent choice for home defense.
Also AR-15 is excellent choice for home defense.
This post was edited on 10/30/20 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 10/30/20 at 11:09 pm to CheEngineer
I’d rather have a Ruger 9mm carbine for home defense,uses Glock magazines.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 11:49 pm to bbvdd
quote:
You think a .223/5.56 will penetrate more walls than shotgun with buckshot?
You really should do more research rather than make assumptions.
Indeed. Paul Harrell already did it.
LINK ]Paul Harrell builds walls, then shoots through them and meat targets with both 00 buck and .223 and various other things
This post was edited on 10/30/20 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 10/31/20 at 1:06 am to Yellerhammer5
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Every round tumbles after contact.
Round balls don't tumble
I see buckshot here a few times
That doesnt "tumble"
That shite goes through everything and then some
Posted on 10/31/20 at 7:59 am to White Bear
quote:If you're indoors, it'll also cause hearing loss if you don't have ear pro or a suppressor (although a suppressor drops you down close to .22 LR territory ballistically).
The muzzle flash would blind you at night.
Posted on 10/31/20 at 8:52 am to jlovel7
12ga auto. Plug out. Turkey loads.
Ideally, a tactical format with a larger magazine (ie M4).......AR may be a good defense weapon but it’s no where as effective in home defense.
Ideally, a tactical format with a larger magazine (ie M4).......AR may be a good defense weapon but it’s no where as effective in home defense.
Posted on 10/31/20 at 11:57 am to CharlesLSU
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it’s no where as effective in home defense.
Man you done did it now.
I use a shotgun because its what I've got, but if I had any shotgun and an AR next to each other, I'd grab the AR every time. Its hard to come up with a situation where the shotgun is the better choice. It's not a bad choice, but its inferior to an AR in every way I can think of except close range one shot horsepower.
Posted on 10/31/20 at 2:01 pm to CharlesLSU
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it’s no where as effective in home defense.
Yeah, that's bullshite.
Posted on 10/31/20 at 2:06 pm to skinnytrees
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Round balls don't tumble
I see buckshot here a few times
That doesnt "tumble"
That shite goes through everything and then some
Sure it does.
Posted on 10/31/20 at 2:11 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Yeah, that's bull shite.
True, I’m seeing a lot of dumbassery going on.
Posted on 10/31/20 at 9:29 pm to Possumslayer
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True, I’m seeing a lot of dumbassery going on.
Joe Biden told us all to just grab a shotgun
But seriously, bird shot up close will wreck stuff. I've cut water moccasins in half with it and disintegrated parts of them
This post was edited on 10/31/20 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 10/31/20 at 9:46 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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use a shotgun because its what I've got, but if I had any shotgun and an AR next to each other, I'd grab the AR every time. Its hard to come up with a situation where the shotgun is the better choice.
Agreed. I don’t even like shooting my 12ga. Gives me a headache. I keep it just bc I’m an American and it seems un-American to get rid of a shotgun.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 1:52 pm to jlovel7
What do navy seals use? That’s what I would use. They seem to do very well in CQ situations.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 1:56 pm to bbvdd
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You think a .223/5.56 will penetrate more walls than shotgun with buckshot?
You really should do more research rather than make assumptions.
Did I say buckshot? I clearly didn't specify a specific shotgun load. But if I were, I would say some high brass 2 3/4 bird shot. You really should do more "reading" rather than assuming I'm saying things that I am not.
Posted on 11/1/20 at 2:13 pm to jimbeam
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