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re: Why is India so shitty at Olympics?
Posted on 7/31/24 at 8:56 am to Jack Ruby
Posted on 7/31/24 at 8:56 am to Jack Ruby
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How are the US women the best program in the world then? I've never understood how the female program can be so good internationally and the men are so mediocre.
A couple main reasons IMO:
1. We actually put money into women’s sports. A lot of other countries could not care less about doing that, but some including Spain, have started doing a much better job of that in the last few years.
2. Football and basketball are the number 1 and 2 sports for men. A lot of your best athletes are going there. Soccer is probably the number 1 sport for women so you’re going to retain more great athletes.
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Posted on 7/31/24 at 9:08 am to Violent Hip Swivel
I would think that a highly vegetarian diet/limited protein limits their muscular development.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 9:11 am to TexasTiger08
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For many Olympic sports, you don’t have to be super athletic, you have to be extremely skilled. I don’t know, fencing and curling (winter) come to mind.
Every sport can be ranked on a scale from skill focused to athletic focused.
Extreme skill: Archery, shooting, golf, Equestrian
High skill, some athleticism: Badminton, fencing
Even mix: soccer, baseball, tennis, gymnastics
High athleticism, some skill: Basketball, football, rugby
Extreme athleticism: Track & field, swimming, lifting
For the most part, high and extreme athleticism sports are dominated by black and white athletes. Wealthy countries do well in the skill-based sports. India is Asian and not wealthy per capita, so they don’t do well in either.
It doesn’t help that by far their most popular sport is not an Olympic sport, but that’s true of the US as well.
This post was edited on 7/31/24 at 9:14 am
Posted on 7/31/24 at 9:18 am to Corinthians420
quote:US Soccer is different. The best athletes in the US play football, basketball, and baseball. If soccer was the number one sport in the US like it is in other countries and all the top athletes played soccer, we would dominate.
Its the same reason US soccer isn't "catching up" with Europe. It's about having the best coaching/most skilled players.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 9:23 am to Jack Ruby
I think men’s soccer loses a lot of potential soccer players to basketball and football. Those true athletes know there is more money and oportunity in those sports in the US
Posted on 7/31/24 at 10:20 am to Tiger Prawn
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Because cricket isn’t in the Olympics until 2028.
I had a feeling that there'd be cricket comments. New Zealand has 5 million people and is fixated on rugby. India has over a billion people and is fixated on cricket.. New Zealand still has 4 times as many medals all time as India.
The math on India in the Olympics is completely fricked up and it has to be way more than "they like cricket the most."
This post was edited on 7/31/24 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 7/31/24 at 10:36 am to TexasTiger08
It’s because sports is not encouraged by parents as much as education.
Parents put kids into rigorous training to get into elite college from age 10 but won’t spend a dime at organized sports.
The aim to get high paying jobs. Middle to lower middle only look at sports as fun distraction and not money earner.
It’s just not a priority.
There is no Travel ball in India but engineering coaching center at every corner.
“Gupta, my son got into elite engineering college, why is yours wasting time playing sports”
Parents put kids into rigorous training to get into elite college from age 10 but won’t spend a dime at organized sports.
The aim to get high paying jobs. Middle to lower middle only look at sports as fun distraction and not money earner.
It’s just not a priority.
There is no Travel ball in India but engineering coaching center at every corner.
“Gupta, my son got into elite engineering college, why is yours wasting time playing sports”
This post was edited on 7/31/24 at 10:41 am
Posted on 7/31/24 at 10:50 am to Violent Hip Swivel
They are ranked 184/201 for average height according to wiki, so they generally don't have the size to compete in many of the sports. But in a country over a billion there will obviously be a few outliers that are big enough and strong enough.
They are ranked 113/164 for average wealth according to wiki. so they don't have the money or time to put into sports.
A lot of the olympic sports where size may not be as big of a factor, (shooting, equestrian, fencing, gymnastics, etc), are very expensive sports to participate in which indians just can't afford and the government isn't going to subsidize that.
Same goes for Bagladesh, but they are even smaller and poorer.
They are ranked 113/164 for average wealth according to wiki. so they don't have the money or time to put into sports.
A lot of the olympic sports where size may not be as big of a factor, (shooting, equestrian, fencing, gymnastics, etc), are very expensive sports to participate in which indians just can't afford and the government isn't going to subsidize that.
Same goes for Bagladesh, but they are even smaller and poorer.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 10:52 am to Violent Hip Swivel
They're too busy training their kids to own Motels, work at 7/11, or work in call center jobs. They don't have time for sports.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 11:18 am to BigBinBR
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The best athletes in the US play football, basketball, and baseball. If soccer was the number one sport in the US like it is in other countries and all the top athletes played soccer, we would dominate.
It is a game of skill. Yes being a good athlete helps but the most important thing is skill. We have more athletes playing soccer than the Netherlands, yet we are nowhere close to their level because they are on a different level than us when it comes to coaching.
You don't get Messi or De Bruyne level by being the best athlete.
The 17 year old for Spain that just won the Euros was a professional player at 7 years old.
We don't have the system in place for our players to get that sort of coaching, so it doesn't matter how good of an athlete they are.
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At six years of age, Yamal was scouted by FC Barcelona and was invited to training sessions at La Masia, signing for the club in 2014[4][10] and moving to Barcelona to live and train at the academy
On the other hand the us women were able to dominate because women's football is more dependent on athleticism and less on skill.
This post was edited on 7/31/24 at 11:26 am
Posted on 7/31/24 at 11:20 am to Violent Hip Swivel
My first reaction is that sports are a luxury of rich countries.
Impoverished countries focus on supporting their population and growing wealth.
There has to be both a foundation, coaching, interest, and development in a sport for anyone to be competitive on a global level. But many countries don't have the excess resources to develop these programs unless there is already an underlying culture for that sport.
The second factor is the Olympic standards or world rankings that minimize how many "Eddie the Eagle" entries they get.
Which is to say, you have to be world class to even go to the Olympics.
And that is a significant barrier for many small or impoverished countries.
They just don't have the national interest, size of population, or development capabilities to get their people to world class status.
NK - Communism and political reasons
Azerbaijan/ Uzbekistan - Wrestling/Judo culture
Ethiopia - Running culture
Impoverished countries focus on supporting their population and growing wealth.
There has to be both a foundation, coaching, interest, and development in a sport for anyone to be competitive on a global level. But many countries don't have the excess resources to develop these programs unless there is already an underlying culture for that sport.
The second factor is the Olympic standards or world rankings that minimize how many "Eddie the Eagle" entries they get.
Which is to say, you have to be world class to even go to the Olympics.
And that is a significant barrier for many small or impoverished countries.
They just don't have the national interest, size of population, or development capabilities to get their people to world class status.
NK - Communism and political reasons
Azerbaijan/ Uzbekistan - Wrestling/Judo culture
Ethiopia - Running culture
Posted on 7/31/24 at 11:50 am to Violent Hip Swivel
Not much of a middle class.
Leisure ...it's too damned hot to do most of these things
Downtrodden women wouldn't be supported as athletes if they were Wilma Rudolph, Nadia Comaniche and Nancy Kerrigan combined.
Leisure ...it's too damned hot to do most of these things
Downtrodden women wouldn't be supported as athletes if they were Wilma Rudolph, Nadia Comaniche and Nancy Kerrigan combined.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 11:56 am to Corinthians420
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We have more athletes playing soccer than the Netherlands, yet we are nowhere close to their level because they are on a different level than us when it comes to coaching.
we might have more that play, but most kids that play soccer in the US also play football, baseball, basketball throughout the year. In the Netherlands soccer is just about the only team sport they play, so they have a lot more time to develop the skills. And they also have better coaching.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 12:03 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
It's their diet. Little to no meat.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 12:08 pm to Hermit Crab
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. In the Netherlands soccer is just about the only team sport they play, so they have a lot more time to develop the skills. And they also have better coaching.
That's the point I was making. Us not beating them isn't because of athletes, it's because of coaching.
No American parent is shipping their kid off to be a professional soccer player at 7 to go to school at a soccer academy.
Running a 4.2 in soccer isn't as important as how well u can dribble/pass/shoot the ball.
This post was edited on 7/31/24 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 7/31/24 at 12:35 pm to Corinthians420
I was from India and It might shock most of y'all. The Lifestyle for people with money in India is way more lavish than US.
People live much more lavishly in India than the ones that moved to US. You get your own maid, driver and the hospitality at restaurants is crazy good.
The maid comes 2 times to wash your dishes, wipe your floors and everyone has watch man. The watch man does all your chores to get stuff.
Yes, India has lot of poverty but the gap between poor and even middle class is crazy big.
If I had my choice, I would be in India with my feet up and actual butlers like we joke on OT
People live much more lavishly in India than the ones that moved to US. You get your own maid, driver and the hospitality at restaurants is crazy good.
The maid comes 2 times to wash your dishes, wipe your floors and everyone has watch man. The watch man does all your chores to get stuff.
Yes, India has lot of poverty but the gap between poor and even middle class is crazy big.
If I had my choice, I would be in India with my feet up and actual butlers like we joke on OT
This post was edited on 7/31/24 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 7/31/24 at 12:55 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
You think Indian parents are getting there kids private coaches or going to practice and tournaments 5 days a week?
Posted on 7/31/24 at 1:07 pm to lsu xman
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They are too busy studying math and chemistry
Or worrying about their next meal.
Sports is a luxury. You think the government is investing in public sports fields and structures when they're still using the trains and rails the British built in the 19th Century?
Posted on 7/31/24 at 1:18 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
Hard to play sports with those goofy-arse opened toe sandals.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 1:22 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
At some point we have to admit that genetics play a big role. Indians just aren't naturally athletic.
LeBron James didn't become LeBron James because he was born in a wealthy country that values recreational sports and provided the resources for his development. That helped to be sure but 50% of the battle was won when the sperm fertilized the egg and 3 billion genetic markers on his chromosomes spelled out athletic freak.
The entire horseracing industry is based on this concept yet when it comes to human beings we revert to this notion that "all men are created equal!". Yeah, that's a nice sentiment from a political podium or a church pulpit, but it's mostly B.S.
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