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this has turned out to be a really lame oil spill.
Posted on 7/31/10 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 7/31/10 at 9:29 pm
i'm sure glad they didn't detonate a nuclear warhead to try and stop it.
Posted on 7/31/10 at 9:54 pm to Rebel
While I would argue that all oil spills are lame, and agree that the media's reporting was irresponsibly sensationalist at times, I want to point out that the lameness of this spill will be felt for years by oysterman and possibly shrimpers. I hate that this varies between "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIIIEEEEEEE" and "The oil spill will never impact anyone ever again". Why can't the media accept that we don't know the long term impact and report how it's affecting real life human beings instead?
And if this oil spill is overblown, then Jindal dredging an area that will increase the already problematic erosion of our barrier islands was unnecessary. Furthermore, if he had embraced the help of coastal scientists from the get go, he would have been ready to pump it in from elsewhere.
And if this oil spill is overblown, then Jindal dredging an area that will increase the already problematic erosion of our barrier islands was unnecessary. Furthermore, if he had embraced the help of coastal scientists from the get go, he would have been ready to pump it in from elsewhere.
Posted on 7/31/10 at 10:06 pm to Big McLargeHuge
11 people were killed and forgotten. That is the biggest tragedy.
Posted on 7/31/10 at 10:44 pm to C
I don't think this spill was lame to all the people it put out of work. Tell that to the oyster fisherman that have been shut down and the shrimpers that had to sit out the may shrimp season (which brings in half of their income during the year). And on top of that all the stress it has put on the seafood business, seafood restaurants, etc. because of rising costs and a decreased supply and a decreased demand.
Posted on 7/31/10 at 10:54 pm to JasonL79
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Tell that to the oyster fisherman
there is a reason they aren't called oysters catchers.
for many the oil spill had dire consequences, but it was hardly the cataclysmic event that most predicted would end life as we knew it.
Posted on 7/31/10 at 11:14 pm to Rebel
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Tell that to the oyster fisherman
there is a reason they aren't called oysters catchers.
What does this mean?
And the impact on the seafood industry will be close to as bad as katrina or maybe even worse . It will cripple the image of gulf seafood for most likely a few years and will make it hard for fisherman to market their catch. I have been in the seafood industry my whole life and was in it during Katrina also. It took a while to get back to normal.
Posted on 7/31/10 at 11:42 pm to C
Man, I can't believe I forget that. I went to school from K-12 with one of them. First and foremost, the 11 men and their families.
Posted on 7/31/10 at 11:59 pm to Big McLargeHuge
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And if this oil spill is overblown, then Jindal dredging an area that will increase the already problematic erosion of our barrier islands was unnecessary. Furthermore, if he had embraced the help of coastal scientists from the get go, he would have been ready to pump it in from elsewhere.
this isn't breaking news.
the entire sand berm idea was monumentally stupid from the beginning. that money should've been spent on coastal restoration. Jindal, Nungesser, and anyone else who spent valuable time and precious resources backing this stupid idea should be taken to task for it.
ETA: Billy Nungesser is a fricking idiot and he has done Louisiana & Plaquemines Parish a huge disservice throughout this entire situation.
This post was edited on 8/1/10 at 12:01 am
Posted on 8/1/10 at 12:31 am to YatTigah
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the entire sand berm idea was monumentally stupid from the beginning. that money should've been spent on coastal restoration.
Ummm... hello! Anyone home! How do propose that money provided from BP go towards coastal erosion projects when BP is providing that money to contain, capture and clean up the oil?
The only way I can think of doing both at the same time (which is the only way to get the funds from BP) would be to rebuild some of the barrier islands.
To bad the screaming babies (one who has a bone to pick with Jindal for replacing him) got the plans altered and force them to pump the sediment where it would have no lasting affect on restoration, which is contrary to what Jindal was trying to do.
Now those same dicks are ringing there hands hollering look they have washed away already, when it was their lame asses that force the Jindal administration to build the sand berms in deep water.
Posted on 8/1/10 at 1:22 am to JasonL79
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Tell that to the oyster fisherman that have been shut down and the shrimpers that had to sit out the may shrimp season (which brings in half of their income during the year).
Both of whom will be more the compensated by BP. The fishing industry will come out of this smelling like roses whereas the oil industry (WHICH IS A MUCH MUCH BIGGER COMPONENT OF OUR ECONOMY) could possibly be decimated bc of the moratorium.
Posted on 8/1/10 at 2:49 am to STEVED00
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Both of whom will be more the compensated by BP.
from what i've heard from 1st and 2nd hand accounts, BP is being more than generous in paying claims
Posted on 8/1/10 at 6:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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BP is being more than generous in paying claims
True, but they are trying to avoid lawsuits as well
Posted on 8/1/10 at 9:33 am to lsualec78
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True, but they are trying to avoid lawsuits as well
So whats your point. My point is that if you were a fisherman of some sort affected by this then you will come out of this WAY better then if it never happened.
THe Oil industry and ALL of its associated parts which provide a HUGE amount of $$ (WAY WAY WAY more the fishing industry) to the LA economy is going to be hit REALLY REALLY hard therefore the state will be hit hard as well.
Posted on 8/1/10 at 9:43 am to YatTigah
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ETA: Billy Nungesser is a fricking idiot and he has done Louisiana & Plaquemines Parish a huge disservice throughout this entire situation.
How so?
Posted on 8/1/10 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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Both of whom will be more the compensated by BP.
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from what i've heard from 1st and 2nd hand accounts, BP is being more than generous in paying claims
From what I have heard from actual family that are fisherman is that some were compensated and some were not. And some were only compensated partially what they should have been compensated. Same with the jobs: 1/2 to 3/4 of the fishermen were signed up for work but never got called in.
And as far as claims, fisherman were first in line, then wholesale, then restaurants. I know and have spoken to tons of people that never gotten anything claim wise out of this mess with me being one of them. BP is doing the bare minimum from what I see. It's not like they are being generous, the fishing industry deserves it. They shut it down for months.
Posted on 8/1/10 at 9:57 am to STEVED00
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True, but they are trying to avoid lawsuits as well
So whats your point. My point is that if you were a fisherman of some sort affected by this then you will come out of this WAY better then if it never happened
Way better? Do you really believe that? What about the image problem they will face for years. I used to work for a shrimp peeling company in Louisiana and after katrina was doing some cold-calling on customers throughout the country. A lot of people I talked to was not interested in Louisiana shrimp because they thought it was polluted. Same thing will happen now. And besides we don't know how this oil spill will affect the industry/seafood production yet. It will take years to see this play out. The image problem will be immediately and will last for years.
And I agree that the oil industry is larger but the seafood industry isn't small either. Gulf seafood provides over a billion dollars to the economy.
Posted on 8/1/10 at 10:40 am to JasonL79
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From what I have heard from actual family that are fisherman is that some were compensated and some were not. And some were only compensated partially what they should have been compensated. Same with the jobs: 1/2 to 3/4 of the fishermen were signed up for work but never got called in.
From what I've heard, a lot of fisherman are not getting paid bc they cannot provide tax documents to verify what they made. I wonder why they do not want to provide tax documents....
Posted on 8/1/10 at 11:09 am to STEVED00
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From what I have heard from actual family that are fisherman is that some were compensated and some were not. And some were only compensated partially what they should have been compensated. Same with the jobs: 1/2 to 3/4 of the fishermen were signed up for work but never got called in.
From what I've heard, a lot of fisherman are not getting paid bc they cannot provide tax documents to verify what they made. I wonder why they do not want to provide tax documents....
This might be the case with some fisherman but I bet it's not the case with all.
I can just speak from my experience with claims. I worked with them for around 3 months. Gave them initially my income taxes for 2009, invoices from before and after the spill (that showed how costs have increased dramatically), business licenses (wildlife & city), and an analysis of my losses. After that dealt with several different adjustors and was not assigned one person. Every time I called I got a new adjustor who asked for more information. Next I need to provide my driver license and income statements for 2010. After I provided them that, a week later they asked for bank statements for 2010. Gave them that and then they asked for sales tax forms for 2010. Gave them that then they asked for sales tax forms for 2009 and bank statement forms for 2009. Then I was told my claim was denied but wasn't given a reason. This was the 3rd time I was denied and the times before was due to incomplete information (not sure why they needed sales tax forms for 2009 anyway when they had my income tax returns). Dealt with them some more in the next few weeks and I was told I didn't fit the criteria. Went to houma to the main BP claims center and was told any business 25 miles from the coast were denied due to being out of the affected area.
This is just an example of my experience with claims, but I have heard almost the exact same stories from my family (who are fisherman) and other seafood companies (crab fisherman/oyster companies/etc.) who I've talked to.
Not only the above but when these businesses open back up (shrimp plants,oyster plants,etc.) they have to hire new people which I'm sure they lost some of their employees and then face the image problem for years. I hardly doubt you will find any seafood company that will be better off because of this spill.
Posted on 8/1/10 at 11:28 am to JasonL79
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ETA: Billy Nungesser is a fricking idiot and he has done Louisiana & Plaquemines Parish a huge disservice throughout this entire situation.
How so?
all he's done is run his mouth and ride Jindal's coattails. he's a typical, self-aggrandizing Louisiana politician. previously, he owned a business building housing for offshore workers and his dad was LA's GOP State Chairman. if you think Nungesser & Jindal's goal has been anything other than to make the Feds look bad you haven't been paying attention.
Posted on 8/1/10 at 11:52 am to YatTigah
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THe Oil industry and ALL of its associated parts which provide a HUGE amount of $$ (WAY WAY WAY more the fishing industry) to the LA economy is going to be hit REALLY REALLY hard therefore the state will be hit hard as well.
The fisherman are being paid for there lost season and with the exception of maybe crabbers all should be back to work next season. The oil industry is possible looking at a much longer down turn, the amount of $ lost will dwarf the total cost of this whole spill.
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