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Oil flow is understated
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:00 pm
by BP, because they pay royalties on all that flows, not just production pumping. Claim less - pay less. True, or not?
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:06 pm to LSU80 USF08
if the Feds really do get involved in measuring the flow, they'll just extrapolate it back to 4/20 when the well sank so i don't see how it would make a difference in the end
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:15 pm to YatTigah
Pay royalties to who? They own the oil, it's their lease and they drill it and sell the oil.
No individuals get royalties or such.
No individuals get royalties or such.
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:18 pm to LSU80 USF08
no
Oil companies only pay royalties off of meter run readouts
there is no meter run on this well
Oil companies only pay royalties off of meter run readouts
there is no meter run on this well
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:29 pm to supatigah
They pay royalties to the feds and the individual states they produce in. LA does not get its fair share FWIW.
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:36 pm to LSU80 USF08
Big companies have less incentive to cheat than anyone else, there's too much to lose and they're watched a lot more.
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:43 pm to supatigah
the water bottom beneath the GOM extended out beyond Louisiana territorial seas is owned by the US government, and therefore the government owns the oil beneath it as well.
the gov't is paid the royalty for this.
just because this well does not have a Lease Accounting Custody Transfer meter, does not mean you are exempt from royalties. you have to pay royalties on oil and gas produced as part of a well test, even though it is a temporary flow to a temporary facility, the gas is flared and the oil is shipped to the beach in a barge.
A little more: the gulf of mexico is divided in 3 mi x 3 mi blocks. these blocks are auctioned off periodically, w/ the high bidder receiving the right to explore and produce oil and gas. you have set timelimits on when activities must begin in order to maintain your rights to the lease; or else it reverts back to the pool to be auctioned again.
the gov't is paid the royalty for this.
just because this well does not have a Lease Accounting Custody Transfer meter, does not mean you are exempt from royalties. you have to pay royalties on oil and gas produced as part of a well test, even though it is a temporary flow to a temporary facility, the gas is flared and the oil is shipped to the beach in a barge.
A little more: the gulf of mexico is divided in 3 mi x 3 mi blocks. these blocks are auctioned off periodically, w/ the high bidder receiving the right to explore and produce oil and gas. you have set timelimits on when activities must begin in order to maintain your rights to the lease; or else it reverts back to the pool to be auctioned again.
This post was edited on 5/21/10 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:55 pm to oilfieldtiger
there is a ton of stupid in this thread
oil companies pay royalties off the oil produced from the well and then gauged and charted through a MMS certified METER RUN. There is no METER RUN on this well because it is an open hole spewing oil on the sea floor. bp will not pay royalties on this oil they will instead pay massive FINES. How does bp pay royalties on the oil when there is no feasible way to gauge how much they have produced?
you guys need to try to have a little common sense
oil companies pay royalties off the oil produced from the well and then gauged and charted through a MMS certified METER RUN. There is no METER RUN on this well because it is an open hole spewing oil on the sea floor. bp will not pay royalties on this oil they will instead pay massive FINES. How does bp pay royalties on the oil when there is no feasible way to gauge how much they have produced?
you guys need to try to have a little common sense
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:58 pm to foshizzle
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Big companies have less incentive to cheat than anyone else, there's too much to lose and they're watched a lot more.
correct.
they are generally powerful to legally cheat on the front end with more favorable taxation laws and royalty %'s.
Posted on 5/21/10 at 3:02 pm to supatigah
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there is a ton of stupid in this thread
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you guys need to try to have a little common sense
The posters that have migrated over to this board in the last few days are dropping the over all IQ of the board down to rant level.
Posted on 5/21/10 at 3:04 pm to TigerFred
bp wishes all they had to pay were royalties 
Posted on 5/21/10 at 3:13 pm to supatigah
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you guys need to try to have a little common sense
You could do the same also. I gaurantee you that this will cahnge everything. And IF the figure 1,000,000 barrels were spilled, BP will have to pay royalties of some sort. If you want to call it fines, go right fricking ahead. But the fines will be tabulated according to the size of the spill (how much oil lost) and will therefore be the royalty since the fine goes up with the size of the spill.
BP wishes it only had to pay the royalties on the oil, the fines are heavier!
So call it what you want, BP is paying heavy royalties on the spilled oil.
Why do you think every one of their projections was lower than the actual flow, except for one, the one that shows what teh are siphoning, they "accidently" overstated that one.
Shocker!
Posted on 5/21/10 at 3:40 pm to supatigah
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supatigah
quote:
oil companies pay royalties off the oil produced from the well and then gauged and charted through a MMS certified METER RUN. There is no METER RUN on this well because it is an open hole spewing oil on the sea floor. bp will not pay royalties on this oil they will instead pay massive FINES.
30 CFR 250.119 (c)states actual losses before metering will not be computed in the quantity for royalty collection IF the MMS decides the losses were UNAVOIDABLE.........
BP will pay royalties on the estimated spill volume.......they will pay penalty fines based on the findings of the investigations.
Posted on 5/21/10 at 3:41 pm to oilfieldtiger
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therefore the government owns the oil beneath it as well.
They own the rights to explore - not as important a point offshore as onshore, but that is what the government owns and it leases that right to the oil companies.
BP can be sued by the US for lost royalties and production due to the blowout....I think - I know this is the case onshore.
Posted on 5/21/10 at 3:51 pm to the LSUSaint
you are a f'ing idiot. Royalties are paid for oil that is produced and piped onshore into the marketplace. It is a measurable, quantified amount as it is guaged at the wellhead. Oil from this spill is flowing into the ocean, and the amount of it is only being ESTIMATED. BP et al will pay fines based upon their exposure to liability, which will be determined at a later date.
Posted on 5/21/10 at 4:04 pm to CITWTT
You shouldn't be calling anyone an idiot.
Posted on 5/21/10 at 4:39 pm to cwill
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BP can be sued by the US for lost royalties and production due to the blowout....I think - I know this is the case onshore.
This actually happened in the Tuscaloosa trend in south Louisiana in the 70's. A landowner sued over lost income over gas lost in a blowout and was awarded a judgement.
Posted on 5/21/10 at 4:45 pm to foshizzle
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Big companies have less incentive to cheat than anyone else
there have been large companies caught screwing the public at record numbers. What the hell are you talking about?
Posted on 5/21/10 at 4:45 pm to TigerDog83
LINK
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The drilling lease with the Minerals Management Service for the Macondo well that blew up last month calls for BP to pay a royalty fee of 18.75 percent on the value of oil or natural gas “lost or wasted” if a leak is due to the company’s negligence.
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