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re: YouTube - Driving Is Ruining Our Lives
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:06 pm to Ingeniero
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:06 pm to Ingeniero
fair counter point. i’ll presume that’s what our local nola defender is also chuckling about. i guess my prior point if expanded further would be that for some cities it just doesn’t make sense.
Take where i live for example. right inside Harris County line (Houston suburbia). Our public transport in HTown is called Metro. Most tax payers cringe when they hear that word. Poorly run collection of bus lines and a singular rail line. Problem is, Houston is a MASSIVE city, both in population and geography. Metro likely serves a small percentage of the tax payers, very small.
Why should ALL tax payers pay a portion of those costs, so that people on the government’s payroll and bums can ride Metro?
Take where i live for example. right inside Harris County line (Houston suburbia). Our public transport in HTown is called Metro. Most tax payers cringe when they hear that word. Poorly run collection of bus lines and a singular rail line. Problem is, Houston is a MASSIVE city, both in population and geography. Metro likely serves a small percentage of the tax payers, very small.
Why should ALL tax payers pay a portion of those costs, so that people on the government’s payroll and bums can ride Metro?
This post was edited on 8/26/23 at 1:17 pm
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:07 pm to Death Before Disco
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But I’m looking at an overly authoritarian federal government with unelected bureaucracies
Post-war US urban planning has been defined by a piecemeal approach with private landowners and businesses as the centerpiece of those infrastructure projects. The classic example of this is the program of 'urban renewal,' starting from the Housing Act of 1954 (though the framework was established in the Housing Act of 1949), which provided loans to municipalities to clear neighborhoods with the direct involvement of private developers. That pattern has continued up until the current era. That doesn't strike me as an authoritarian structure, but one that caters directly to specific private interests.
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that is trying to “phase out” things like natural gas water heaters and ceiling fans, not to mention ICEs, not because that’s what the people want, but in the name of “green” initiatives. The majority of these “green” initiatives aren’t actually better for the environment, they are “green” because they fill the political’s pockets with money.
In a broad sense, I agree.
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I see this 15 minute city movement as the same thing. Not an actual effort to make cities more livable or green, but an effort at authoritarian control.
I don't see it that way. The efforts are linked to first Paris Mayor Berterand Delanoe's efforts to return the banks of the Seine to being car-free. Annie Hidalgo later expanded upon that idea and used the term '15-minute city.' The general idea (as the French imagine it) is that cities move toward a model of mixed-use neighborhoods, the type of which that weren't all that unusual in literally every type of American municipality before the WWII. I don't know how it was represented in the press at large, but it is a really benign idea, which in practice won't ban cars completely. Mixed-use neighborhoods are good things and even now, areas which are mixed-use are generally highly desirable areas for people to live.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:08 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Go for it.
Makes no difference to my point.
You don't really have one other than the same boring 'what about me' nonsense.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
My first post in this thread was
This goes hand in hand that the result would be privately run mass transit would eventually win out as the result is cheaper per person movement.
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Toll roads vs tax payer funded roads would solve a lot of sprawl we now see.
This goes hand in hand that the result would be privately run mass transit would eventually win out as the result is cheaper per person movement.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:09 pm to Klark Kent
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Metro likely serves a small percentage of the tax payers, very small.
We have a good bus system in town, but to get elsewhere you have to fly or float.
We've had Ferries for 60 years, and the system is broken. It costs too much to provide anymore. We are 150 employees short.
Mayor Pete came to our place last week, and the ship he was on broke, and had to cancel for the next week.
Roads would be vastly superior, Norway can do it, we can too.
This post was edited on 8/26/23 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:09 pm to crazy4lsu
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You don't really have one
Sure I do, and I've made it.
I'm not interested in whatever conversation you're trying to have, and I don't care if you don't like that.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:10 pm to crazy4lsu
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Building streets with spaces for trees that can provide shade cools that area by 20 degrees verses streets which provide no shade.
Except those trees die, become eye-sores due to lack of maintenance, roots damage underground infrastructure, or eventually become too big and have to be removed. These threads always bring out those who are unable to see the second- and third-order effects of their "good" ideas. Laughable really.
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The layout of streets, zoning, land use, housing policy, etc., have favored one form of transport at the expense of every other form of transport, and that policy was government-mediated.
Plenty of work was done to accommodate alternate forms of transportation. The problem is that those alternate forms became unsafe because of crime and policies by the very people that are now crying over automobiles becoming the dominant way people move in urban areas. Many people would love to bike, walk, or use public mass transit but not at the expense of their safety.
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Trying to undo some of the ill-effects of that will also require government intervention,
The answer to government-created problems is never more government.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:10 pm to crazy4lsu
Again, I find the frickheads pushing the 15 min cities to be laughable.
Hey, plebs! Forsake your freedom of movement and live on public transit!
Ignore my 30 min private flight to the masters. Oh and my private flight to the islands. Oh and my private flight to watch the Super Bowl.
Oh. And of course, you should absolutely forget my private flight across the globe to talk about how you plebs are ruining the earth by driving private cars!
Hey, plebs! Forsake your freedom of movement and live on public transit!
Ignore my 30 min private flight to the masters. Oh and my private flight to the islands. Oh and my private flight to watch the Super Bowl.
Oh. And of course, you should absolutely forget my private flight across the globe to talk about how you plebs are ruining the earth by driving private cars!
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:11 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Again, I’m not against mixed use neighborhoods. I just don’t want to be forced to live in one.
Mixed-use neighborhoods are good things and even now, areas which are mixed-use are generally highly desirable areas for people to live.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:12 pm to crazy4lsu
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Trying to undo some of the ill-effects of that will also require government intervention,
You have an overly romanticized idea of public space in this country.
Increased public niceties will be destroyed before they can naturally wear out.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I'm not interested in whatever conversation you're trying to have, and I don't care if you don't like that.
Much wow. Big man doesn't understand how infrastructure isn't exclusive. Real heady stuff here. Run along my bitch.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:12 pm to jclem11
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:13 pm to crazy4lsu
here we goPosted on 8/26/23 at 1:13 pm to beerJeep
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Again, I find the frickheads pushing the 15 min cities to be laughable.
You and I have to participate for it to work, which is why they are getting flustered regarding the subject.
I sure as hell aint playing along.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You have an overly romanticized idea of public space in this country.
You have literally no idea of what I'm referring to, and again, is another subject where you pose expertise without an ounce of knowledge. Do you ever get tired of being so retarded? It's like you have retard strength of the mind.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:14 pm to fightin tigers
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Do you count waiting in traffic as your choice or out of your control?
Id rather wait in traffic than to wait at the bus stop.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:14 pm to QJenk
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Id rather wait in traffic than to wait at the bus stop.
Any day.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:15 pm to beerJeep
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Again, I find the frickheads pushing the 15 min cities to be laughable.
Hey, plebs! Forsake your freedom of movement and live on public transit!
Ignore my 30 min private flight to the masters. Oh and my private flight to the islands. Oh and my private flight to watch the Super Bowl.
Oh. And of course, you should absolutely forget my private flight across the globe to talk about how you plebs are ruining the earth by driving private cars!
I like how this has become some idea promoted by some 'masters' rather than a really simple idea based on the policy choices of someone in 2001. It's insane the line of logic you people use.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:16 pm to crazy4lsu
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Much wow. Big man doesn't understand how infrastructure isn't exclusive. Real heady stuff here. Run along my bitch.
Someone is getting excited for sophomore year. Just wait until you get to some real classes, sport.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:16 pm to Klark Kent
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i guess my prior point if expanded further would be that for some cities it just doesn’t make sense
A lot of that is self inflicted though. The car allowed cities to grow in an unnatural (probably not the right word) way and now we are throwing tons of money at the problem.
A few people have said they live in a 20 minute radius. 20 minutes by car is a lot different than 20 minutes by foot or horse. It allows for a lot more people to eventually move into your 20 minute radius and eventually overload your system. Traffic, blight, aggravation follow.
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