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re: YouTube - Driving Is Ruining Our Lives
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:38 pm to Death Before Disco
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:38 pm to Death Before Disco
These green douchers can’t be content living how they want, they want to force you to live how they want.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:38 pm to fightin tigers
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Not even close.
I believe gas taxes are the largest contributor to highway maintenance.
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Gas taxes are largely used to fund infrastructure maintenance and new projects, but the amount of state and local road spending covered by gas taxes, tolls, user fees, and user taxes varies widely among states3.
The people who use roads pay more for the roads than the people who do not.
People who use bicycles dont contribute anything.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:38 pm to Death Before Disco
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You make some good points. And I’m not against public transit or good city planning. I’m just against being forced to live in a concrete jungle by the government.
Well good urban planning should account for the 'concrete jungle' aspect. Building streets with spaces for trees that can provide shade cools that area by 20 degrees verses streets which provide no shade. There are many different approaches you could take with respect to green spaces. I know you are invoking this more broadly to make a point about government involvement, but already the land use of the US as it stands has significant government involvement, which policy decisions from the 30's and 40's still relevant today.
The layout of streets, zoning, land use, housing policy, etc., have favored one form of transport at the expense of every other form of transport, and that policy was government-mediated.
Trying to undo some of the ill-effects of that will also require government intervention, but I think what people miss was how well-constructed American cities were at the turn of the century. City Museum in St. Louis had some examples of the stonework from the turn of the century, taken from now demolished buildings across the Midwest, which was amazing. The detail and craftmanship was gorgeous and it was once the case that the majority of buildings in an area had that same attention to detail.
Now the way we build is determined primarily by cost, and we get far worse looking aesthetics and mostly easily replaceable buildings, none of which have character at all.
I'd love to return to that American standard, as the cost differences, in the long run, aren't often meaningful if the way people interact with the space gives them something from that interaction, if that makes sense. If you build a beautiful park that contains things people can use and in doing so make your area more livable, you directly affect the way people interact with their environments. A better way is possible, and ironically, this position is the more 'conservative' position, as it isn't pretending the standards put in place during the pre-war and post-war eras have to be everlasting.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:39 pm to jclem11
Public transportation works in Cities like Munich because their citizens respect the system and keep it clean. If you put your feet on the seats, you’ll have Germans yelling at you. They take care of their shite and for the most part that works in a homogenous culture. We can’t do the right thing in this country because everyone is easily offended, everything is racist, and everything is someone else’s fault.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:39 pm to jclem11
quote:I understand you are passionate about this issue, but you seem to have a very narrow view here. One YouTube video shouldn’t form the entire basis of your personal religion.
How do you think we ended up with roads everywhere? Imminent domain by the government to build more roads. Government gave you the concrete jungles...
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:40 pm to DCtiger1
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Public transportation works in Cities like Munich because their citizens respect the system and keep it clean.
Public ______ Will be a disaster in the USA, our population isn't as individually responsible for their behavior as more civilized nations.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
In your great state less than 10% of road construction/maintenance is paid for by gas tax.
Found a pic that varies from what I posted above, but is reflective.

Found a pic that varies from what I posted above, but is reflective.

This post was edited on 8/26/23 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:40 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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And those who don't?
Public infrastructure isn't exclusive. It's not an either/or scenario.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:42 pm to fightin tigers
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In your great state less than 10% of road construction/maintenance is paid for by gas tax.
Probably true. Because much infrastructure is funded by the federal govt to benefit native communities. Most of its not necessary.
We have no roads into Juneau. Just boats and planes.
This post was edited on 8/26/23 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:43 pm to Death Before Disco
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One YouTube video shouldn’t form the entire basis of
your personal religion.
It is not "one YouTube video" haha.
It's also not my pesonal religion.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:49 pm to crazy4lsu
I agreed with all of your points here. I hate strip malls and cheap aesthetics. I also hate zero lot line housing development. I have no issue with public transportation improvements in cities if the citizens of that city want it and are willing to pay for it. I don’t think unelected government bureaucracies should be making rules and regulations for or against either.
But I’m looking at an overly authoritarian federal government with unelected bureaucracies that is trying to “phase out” things like natural gas water heaters and ceiling fans, not to mention ICEs, not because that’s what the people want, but in the name of “green” initiatives. The majority of these “green” initiatives aren’t actually better for the environment, they are “green” because they fill the political’s pockets with money.
I see this 15 minute city movement as the same thing. Not an actual effort to make cities more livable or green, but an effort at authoritarian control.
As I said in the beginning of the thread, as long as it’s voluntary, build all the trains and subways and whatever you want in your cities. Just don’t force me to live the same way.
But I’m looking at an overly authoritarian federal government with unelected bureaucracies that is trying to “phase out” things like natural gas water heaters and ceiling fans, not to mention ICEs, not because that’s what the people want, but in the name of “green” initiatives. The majority of these “green” initiatives aren’t actually better for the environment, they are “green” because they fill the political’s pockets with money.
I see this 15 minute city movement as the same thing. Not an actual effort to make cities more livable or green, but an effort at authoritarian control.
As I said in the beginning of the thread, as long as it’s voluntary, build all the trains and subways and whatever you want in your cities. Just don’t force me to live the same way.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:50 pm to crazy4lsu
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Public infrastructure isn't exclusive. It's not an either/or scenario.
Public infrastructure exists in this country.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:54 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Public infrastructure exists in this country.
Do we categorize the use of currently existing public infrastructure in terms of the benefits it provides to specific demographics?
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:54 pm to Death Before Disco
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As I said in the beginning of the thread, as long as it’s voluntary, build all the trains and subways and whatever you want in your cities
Does the OP ever ride the city bus? Seems like a nice way to get to work every day, and can virtue signal incessantly.
Public transportation in America is such a pleasant experience.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I'm not against funding roads, but it is an extremely poor use of tax dollars.
Providing for commerce or national defense are both areas that should be considered as they are collectively beneficial.
Providing for commerce or national defense are both areas that should be considered as they are collectively beneficial.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:57 pm to jclem11
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Do you have a source? I am curious to see the stats and data on this.
Trains are efficient in delivering goods in bulk to a hub, but from that hub you need trucks to deliver out to smaller locations. You can’t use a train to deliver 50 cases of produce to the piggly wiggly in bumfrick, Ms
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:59 pm to crazy4lsu
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Do we categorize the use of currently existing public infrastructure in terms of the benefits it provides to specific demographics?
Go for it.
Makes no difference to my point.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:01 pm to fightin tigers
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but it is an extremely poor use of tax dollars.
Yeah, pretty much any public expenditure will result in less than efficient products. That applies to all areas. Not sure why the roads bother you.
I'm fine with dirt roads.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
They don't really bother me per se. Like deltaland is saying, they are certainly needed to fulfill a role in infrastructure.
More would rather not pay additional taxes on a poor investment. Government inefficiency is probably fixed per dollar spent, so minimize the amount of dollars spent or maximize the return on the dollars.
More would rather not pay additional taxes on a poor investment. Government inefficiency is probably fixed per dollar spent, so minimize the amount of dollars spent or maximize the return on the dollars.
This post was edited on 8/26/23 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:05 pm to fightin tigers
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More would rather not pay additional taxes on a poor investment.
I wholeheartedly agree, which is why I hate Government for the most part because everything it funds is inefficient.
My big political event in my lifetime was the Road project in JNU.
I was against it, but they government cannot run the public transportation system well enough to keep it operating.
Now I pray they build the road.
This post was edited on 8/26/23 at 1:07 pm
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