re: You Moon landing deniers are all complete idiots...

My nephew went down the "moon landings were fake" rabbit hole until I had him look up satellite images of all of the tracks and equipment left on the Moon's surface. It's still there.

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Because in reality the US/USSR/W. Europe/China at the top level have been working together behind the scenes to rule the rest of the world and keep things from going to shite. The biggest threat to any nation, and civilization in general, is internal destruction. Keeping the general populace in the dark and managing them like children via smoke & mirrors is the most effective policy for preventing insurrection. There may bullshite posited in the media about being enemies, but at the end of the day we have each others backs. e.g. WWII vs the axis

Also it's relatively simple to keep a big secret so long as you vet the people that know it ahead of time. e.g. entrapment to see if they'll disclose/perpetuate smaller secrets first and then let them work their way up. Hell anyone that's a member of a fraternity has likely gone through something similar on a micro scale prior to initiation

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Jeezuuz! Just when you think you've read the stupidest response on here along comes this Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!!!

I'm praying for the reputation of your University that you are just pathetically trolling here. Because if you are a UT grad, you need to sue for your tuition back. And sue your 5th grade elementary school for socially promoting you out of introduction to basic logic 101

Never said I believed it, but such a dynamic existing isn't entirely implausible and would be an easy way to explain the Soviet's hypothetical cooperation

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Because in reality the US/USSR/W. Europe/China at the top level have been working together behind the scenes to rule the rest of the world and keep things from going to shite.

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What evidence do you have that China and India were part of a top-level coordination structure in the 1960s, given that neither was aligned with the US or USSR at the time and both independently acknowledge the Apollo landings today? And do you have anything supporting that assertion other than the fact that it conveniently fills one of the largest holes in your theory?

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Keeping the general populace in the dark and managing them like children via smoke & mirrors is the most effective policy for preventing insurrection.

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If the safest policy is keeping the general populace in the dark and managing them via smoke and mirrors how do you square that with the fact that the space race directly involved tens to hundreds of thousands of engineers, scientists, contractors, and military personnel, with millions more indirectly involved across industry, universities, tracking stations, and foreign observers? At that scale, who exactly is being “kept in the dark,” and how does expanding the circle of knowledge to that many people reduce the risk of internal destruction rather than multiply it?

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There may bullshite posited in the media about being enemies, but at the end of the day we have each others backs. e.g. WWII vs the axis

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You had to reach all the way back to WWII and almost the beginning of our relations for an example that doesn't even work?

First off, Stalin didn’t even intend to be part of that alliance until Hitler double-crossed him, which makes it a reaction to betrayal, not evidence of durable cooperation. And even then, it was an explicit, temporary alliance of convenience against a common enemy, openly acknowledged, widely debated, and often criticized as a mistake while it was happening. How does that kind of improvised, openly contested wartime alignment support the decades-long, covert, frictionless partnership you’re claiming here?

Do you maybe have a better example? Maybe even one that's in living memory for those of us under 100?

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Also it's relatively simple to keep a big secret so long as you vet the people that know it ahead of time. e.g. entrapment to see if they'll disclose/perpetuate smaller secrets first and then let them work their way up. Hell anyone that's a member of a fraternity has likely gone through something similar on a micro scale prior to initiation

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Comparing a fraternity initiation to a decades-long, multinational space program conspiracy is a category error, not an analogy.

A fraternity involves a few dozen people, lasts a few years, faces no hostile intelligence agencies, produces no permanent technical record, and collapses the moment anyone graduates, gets bored, or starts telling stories at a bar. The space race involved hundreds of thousands of engineers, scientists, contractors, and military personnel, millions indirectly, multiple rival governments, independent verification, physical hardware that still exists, and a paper trail that spans generations.

Vetting doesn’t freeze human behavior in amber. People retire, get bitter, write memoirs, get divorced, need money, change beliefs, or die and leave documents behind. If “working your way up through smaller secrets” actually scaled the way you’re suggesting, Watergate, the Pentagon Papers, MKUltra, and COINTELPRO wouldn’t exist.

The fact that your only workable analogy is a college social club is a pretty good indicator that your theory doesn’t survive contact with real institutions, real incentives, real time, or reality in general.

I bet op has a picture of Superman in his room.

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What evidence do you have that China and India were part of a top-level coordination structure in the 1960s, given that neither was aligned with the US or USSR at the time and both independently acknowledge the Apollo landings today? And do you have anything supporting that assertion other than the fact that it conveniently fills one of the largest holes in your theory?

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The USA was supplying the USSR grain at the time so why go in to a famine to deny the moon landings?

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The USA was supplying the USSR grain at the time so why go in to a famine to deny the moon landings?

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You're confusing your timelines. The Apollo moon missions ended in 1972. And while that was the first year we sold grain to the USSR we really didn't get the program going in earnest until 1975.

People prefer the shadows in the cave over the real things.

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So let me get this straight. During the same period when we nearly went to nuclear war, faced off militarily in Berlin, fought a bloody proxy war, exposed each other’s espionage, crushed uprisings that inflamed global opinion, split the communist world internally, and built arsenals explicitly designed to destroy each other... ... we supposedly had decisive leverage through U.S. grain shipments the whole time? And instead of using that leverage to avoid those conflicts outright, effectively winning the propaganda war and by extension the Cold War the easy way, we skipped the straightforward win and used that leverage only to protect a fake moon landing, accomplishing only half the outcome (winning the propaganda war but not the Cold War) through a massive Rube Goldberg scheme instead that also involved the complicity of the loser?

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Also, the leverage of not going in to a nuclear war too. Clark Kent, if the Soviet government called the moon landings fake, would you have believed them? Even so, The USSR never exposed the moon landing because it was incapable of producing verifiable evidence and had little to gain from trying. Idk why y’all Homelander Clark Kent bros think this is some gotcha.