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re: Years after the adoption of Common Core, ACT scores are lowest in over a decade

Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:02 pm to
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:02 pm to
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Your need to insult someone, anyone, in your posting says a lot about your insecurities.


I'm soory they struggle with comprehension and lock on a single word or phrase instead of ingesting the enitirety of it. Maybe your ilk can work with the children of the future on such things.
Posted by RobbBobb
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:39 pm to
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In 2011, I can tell you with certainty that schools weren't teaching the way they are now in regards to technology

Well, I can tell you that you are dead wrong. I was in the technology dept of a very large public school system in 2011, and we had already developed policies about use of personal tech in our classrooms, and all our schools had enabled WiFi because of it

And we were behind the national curve. Because HP, Asus, iPad, Kindle and Galaxy tablets had come before that school year
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
30939 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:44 pm to
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and we had already developed policies


/= integration.

I wouldn't expect you to understand an intermediate concept like that though
Posted by fishfighter
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:54 pm to
Haven't read the thread, but this year is the first time I was exposed to Common Core. Who ever came up with this mess needs their arse kicked many times over. And we want to know as to why our kids are getting dumber.
Posted by the paradigm
Moon Township, PA
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 2:58 pm to
Along I know is that Eureka math bullshite is for the birds.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3124 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 3:30 pm to
Common Core fails to identify who the best potential math students are and get them into the proper classes.

They'll have a test with 4 problems, each with part A being something like "solve 24+42" and part B being "Describe in detail how you solved part A"

Part A will be worth 2 points, and Part B will be worth 10.

If you're good at math, but bad at describing things (as many young people good at math are), you're screwed. You shouldn't be punished just because your mind came up with '66' without expending actual brainpower coming up with it. In fact, that skill should be identified very quickly and advanced up the math chain.

Get these kids into the advanced math classes (they'll drag the ACT average up later), and let them develop at their own pace in English classes. Eventually, they'll be whole and probably more useful to society.
Posted by Grassy1
Member since Oct 2009
7330 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 3:56 pm to
Specifically to High C, but anyone, feel free to chime in:

I have no opinion on Common Core. I do have the opinion that other cultures MUST do a better job than us when it comes to teaching math. I was an A-B student in high school and college, and I'm not comfortable with my own math skills. I have employees that absolutely suck at the most basic math functions.

How could we teach math better than we have been doing the last 50+ years?

FWIW, I certainly think we do a poor job of explaining the basic concepts of math, especially when it comes to anything less than 1.0 and percentages.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 3:57 pm
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 4:13 pm to
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How could we teach math better than we have been doing the last 50+ years?


I would love to have an answer for that. However, I’m not a math teacher. I do know that states and districts should bring in experienced math teachers and let them in on the process of developing a curriculum and choosing the most effective program. I know that my district switched to Eureka math this year, and teachers and concerned parents are howling. I teach seventh grade. Last week I saw one of my student’s Eureka math workbooks on her desk, and I asked if I could look at it. I was blown away. Practically everything I looked at was completely indecipherable based on how I was taught math. What’s even worse is the method of implementation. This is the third different math program that my students have had to try to learn. If you’re going to start a completely different way of doing math, start it in first grade and work it up year by year so that students have some consistency.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
69740 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 4:16 pm to
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how a 3 month vacation in the middle of summer isnt enough.




You might wanna check your math skills. 3 months is the entire summer.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
54785 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 4:50 pm to
This should shock no one.

The dumbing down of our educational system has been a point now for decades. Those with common sense could see this nightmare coming when it was introduced.

I could have a field day with this but I don't want to get banned.
Posted by jjgeaux
BR Metro
Member since Oct 2018
74 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 5:19 pm to
Sad part is many people simply use school as the free day care in several states
Posted by Beer is Life
Member since Sep 2018
227 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 5:27 pm to
Teachers suck
Students suck
Parents suck

You can't fix this
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25418 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 5:37 pm to
Scores are lower in Louisiana because of measures to discourage students from dropping out and a state requirement that was enacted a few years ago that required all students to take the ACT. Students who otherwise wouldn't have been in school to take the test are bringing down the average. Or at least that's the assertion that I heard on the radio the other day. It seems to make sense, and the direct cause is more observable than your assertion.
Posted by Hammertime
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Member since Jan 2012
43031 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 5:41 pm to
Maybe 30% of teachers are good at teaching, and that goes all of the way from grad students to tenured people who have been teaching for 25+ years
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 5:41 pm to
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did really well in school, and I'm big time against lengthening the school year. More time should be spent becoming well rounded in athletics, culture, and society instead of learning how to become a machine.

then we ask why China and Japan kick our arse in test scores
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25418 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 5:42 pm to
People were saying the exact same thing that you are back in the 50's.

Tom Lehrer - New Math
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
283026 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 5:46 pm to
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then we ask why China and Japan kick our arse in test scores


It has nothing to do with too little or too much time in class
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
30939 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 6:06 pm to
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then we ask why China and Japan kick our arse in test scores


It has way more to do with culture than aptitude or time in the class room.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90027 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 6:17 pm to
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We teachers told everyone we knew that it was a bad idea. Of course, policymakers never listen to us.



You teachers don't understand how percentages work.

More people than ever take the ACT now. The pool of people going to college is as diluted as ever. It makes perfect sense that averages and percentages would go down since the pool is diluted with worse students, students who learned a trade 20 years ago.
Posted by High C
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Member since Nov 2012
57784 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 6:34 pm to
So, is this an argument supporting Common Core, because it’s already been ditched in my district in favor of Eureka math?
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