re: WSJ: The U.K.’s Healthcare System Is in Crisis; 500 die every week due to treatment delays

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that they can’t comprehend demanding free healthcare in exchange for their compulsory taxes.

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You are absolutely retarded

The downfall of the Roman republic began when the plebs realized they could vote themselves other people’s’ money.

That is EXACTLY what you are championing here. Rather than demanding we make it easier to start business, make it easier to be your own boss, you’re arguing just to take from those that make more than you.

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We never once ran out of hospital beds during Covid. One of the biggest fake news fear mongering tactics during the pandemic.

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The same people that believe this, are still clinging to masks.

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Above guidelines you say? So they are turning people away and requiring months and years wait times for routine services?

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Again, given this is your response you don't seem to understand even basic healthcare terminology and context, you are just operating off talking points.

An acute care unit is a short-term emergency care unit. These are the units you absolutely do not want to be running over capacity, and yet we are, as a default right now in most hospitals in the area we live in, and was even worse back in BR talking to people still working there.

That means you have nurses that should be having 2-3 patients now trying to cover 4-5 or more. That means every aspect of care suffers and patients pay the price. Why? Because most hospitals REFUSE to increase baseline pay, refuse to add permanent bonus structures. Instead they use a cadre of temp methods that still fall short but you better believe the top staff are still pulling in enormous high 6 and even 7 figure incomes and are raking in record profits while putting their thumb on the scale and bureaucratizing patient-care relationships as a consequence, leading to even more issues.

the best salaries and QOL are in specialty care, most often non-critical. So the market bends toward those areas, which leaves an enormous deficit in necessary primary care physicians and nurses to cover the most important general and critical care that is most important in preventing long-term issues and keeping people alive and not suffering during emergencies.

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And would the hospital have been understaffed had they not fired a shite load of nurses due to the reduction of patients seen by shutting down all non emergency procedures

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It's almost like you get it but refuse to get it.

Even in emergencies the model of healthcare in this country trends toward maintaining the thinnest of margins. Why did hospitals lay off staff? Money, pure and simple. Then the hospitals realized they cut too deep and struggled to bring back nurses, many that just left the field or went into temp service. many cut off their nose to spite their face but still refuse to do the sensible thing and raise baseline wages.

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These government-run healthcare systems the left has told us were shining beacons of light have always been disasters. That's not to say the US healthcare system is perfect. Its biggest downfall is medicare/Medicaid being robbed blind and the insurance middleman that hinders competition based on price.

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We've crippled our free market here and bitch about rising costs. It's amazing. Get the gov't out of healthcare, deregulate the system.

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We've crippled our free market here and bitch about rising costs. It's amazing. Get the gov't out of healthcare, deregulate the system.

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Good luck with that once you turn 70 and no insurer wants to insure you without charging you $100,000 a year. No returning soldier with chronic care needs can get coverage. And the government subsidies hiding behind your employer plan go away and you see your rates jump through the roof.

Maybe we can just do like the cult in midsommar and start throwing all the old people off a cliff at 65?

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The idea of conflating the UK with, say, Canada and Switzerland and just labeling it all "Public Healthcare" vs American healthcare is absurd.

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I already said Canada is a terrible comparison to U.K. or US. Same for Switzerland but even more. Populations and cultures are extremely different from the US. They don’t have a lower class that abuses govt welfare

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They don’t have a lower class that abuses govt welfare

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Just say you don't want minorities and the poor to have benefits, it would be a lot more honest..

Most countries don't frame their entitlement programs like a class war and through the prism of the deserving and undeserving poor, but you are absolutely wrong if you don't think those countries have grift

It's the tradeoff that comes with having a safety net, there are going to be people that take advantage and that avoid the checks and balances. People that spend 20 years going to college on the government dime, or don't work but have multiple kids. That happens anywhere. But the overall net effect is a more well-taken-care-of country, often with a better baseline QOL.

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I already said Canada is a terrible comparison to U.K. or US. Same for Switzerland but even more

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Considering America literally has all three of those models within our overall umbrella, there is plenty of relevancy. But like all things, America takes what others do and retards it up. Switzerland is a perfect example to illustrate that contrast.

While the NHS has always sucked thus leading to the creation of privatized and supplemental operations like BUPA (which has been around for half a century), one thing these studies and reports on the wait times for UK doctors and hospitals ignores is that it’s largely come about as a result of the exact same class of patients you see lined up at OLOL trying to get their minor ailment treated in an ER and squawking loudly when they aren’t prioritized over someone in crisis.

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Good luck with that once you turn 70 and no insurer wants to insure you without charging you $100,000 a year.

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Or you can take the socialized model and your longevity will be decided by death panels because cost is now a factor.

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No returning soldier with chronic care needs can get coverage.

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Hmmm, i seem to recall a government healthcare system for vets. It was called the VA.

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Maybe we can just do like the cult in midsommar and start throwing all the old people off a cliff at 65?

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You mean like...death panels??? Every problem you think you have with private healthcare, is actually a feature of government healthcare.

Single-payer is not the light at the end of the tunnel that socialists seem to think it is. When government gets involved in dishing out healthcare services, it'll be rationed out based on what politicians think is needed. Need knee replacement surgery? Suck it up. It's not a life and death medical issue. You're 75 and have been diagnosed with an aggressive form of leukemia? Well...sucks to suck but we're going to give the money for treatment to this 58-year-old instead. Their chances of living are better and you have only about three or four years left anyway if we go by the average lifespan of an American.