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re: Woodstock '99: Were You There?
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:27 am to northshorebamaman
Posted on 7/25/21 at 9:27 am to northshorebamaman
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What were the feminist themes in Polly?
I mean, feel free to Google “Kurt Cobain”+”feminism” to read up about he thought a lot of men were out to rape women.
This post was edited on 7/25/21 at 9:30 am
Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:19 am to UndercoverBryologist
The day 2 Kid Rock intro was insane. It’s on YT in full.
Corny but damn it looked fun as hell
Corny but damn it looked fun as hell
Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:29 am to BurningHeart
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There’s a boob in the third pic
Give me a quadrant to narrow in on. Feels like I'm looking for Waldo.
It wasn’t nice of him to call Fred a boob and get your hopes up
Posted on 7/25/21 at 10:34 am to UndercoverBryologist
quote:This theory is false because they wrote the material for that album having NO idea that they were going to blow up like they did. When "Nevermind" was brand new, Nirvana was still a grunge/punk band from Seattle that graduated from its Sub Pop roots.
Also, in terms of lyrics, “In Bloom” is Cobain lamenting that the “macho metalheads” have become Nirvana fans.
The "macho metalheads" came running like rats once "Smells Like Teen Spirit" hit MTV and was on constant rotation for damn near six months every half hour. They bailed ship on Poison, Whitesnake, Motley Crue, etc. and jumped on board with Nirvana. That would have been at least a year after Nevermind was released, and probably about 2-3 years after the song was written.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:18 am to UndercoverBryologist
I went a few weeks after graduating high school. I took $250 to the festival with me, and within an hour of walking in the gates, I had spent $220 on a t-shirt and drugs. I assumed I’d be able to feed myself for 3 days on $30. There was so much price gouging that you couldn’t even feed yourself breakfast for that much. I was so hungry by the last day I remember looking at food on the ground and wanting to pick it up and eat it. Still, I had a great time. I wish I had brought some food in with me, though.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:27 am to RealityTiger
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This theory is false because they wrote the material for that album having NO idea that they were going to blow up like they did. When "Nevermind" was brand new, Nirvana was still a grunge/punk band from Seattle that graduated from its Sub Pop roots.
The "macho metalheads" came running like rats once "Smells Like Teen Spirit" hit MTV and was on constant rotation for damn near six months every half hour. They bailed ship on Poison, Whitesnake, Motley Crue, etc. and jumped on board with Nirvana. That would have been at least a year after Nevermind was released, and probably about 2-3 years after the song was written.
Nirvana, for a indie label band, had a growing following in Seattle well before Nevermind came out. (Why would Geffen sign them to an initial pressing of 100,000 units for Nevermind if they had no following?)
Anyway, the story goes that Cobain wrote In Bloom because he didn’t like the metalhead element that was starting to come to their shows.
Also, interesting note, an early version of In Bloom was recorded in 1990 and they released a very rough music video for it that featured their drummer at the time (pre-Dave Grohl).
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:34 am to Hetfield
Via Wiki a list of those on the "Emerging Artists Stage". Not many there who did alot of emerging after all.
I guess Moby fit well. John Entwistle had, of course, already done most of the emerging he was ever going to do.
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Immoral Fibres, Simmi, Chris Glenn, Gary Durdin & The Clay Pinps, Johnny Rushmore, F.o.N., Linda Rutherford & Celtic Fire, Sugar Daddy, Sticky Pistil, Bijou Phillips, Mike Errico, King Konga, Ben Lee, Beth Hart Band, Liars Inc., Chris Pérez Band, Sherri Jackson, Chris McDermott, Moby, Young & Fabulous!, Gargantua Soul, Serial Joe, American Pearl, Full Devil Jacket, Old Pike, Strangefolk, DDT, Skinnee J's, Gigolo Aunts, Fatboy Slim,Kirsti Gholson, Moe Loughran, The Scoldees, Supersuckers, Stormy Mondays, Big Sugar, John Oszajca,Pound,Pushmonkey,Cyclefy,Indigenous,John Entwistle, Reveille
I guess Moby fit well. John Entwistle had, of course, already done most of the emerging he was ever going to do.
Posted on 7/25/21 at 11:50 am to LegendInMyMind
I really wish Moby would have gone full-on-bro-mode after he got MeToo’d.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 5:38 am to UndercoverBryologist
quote:I mean, feel free to answer my question. Again: what were the feminist themes in Polly?
I mean, feel free to Google “Kurt Cobain”+”feminism” to read up about he thought a lot of men were out to rape women.
I'm well aware of Cobain's views on feminism but that pretty clearly wasn't what I asked.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:09 am to northshorebamaman
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. Again: what were the feminist themes in Polly?
The song is about a sex predator male main character and his female victim who outsmarts him and gets away. Read the lyrics.
If the feminism of the song isn’t readily apparent, then I don’t know what to say.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:36 am to UndercoverBryologist
quote:
The song is about a sex predator male main character and his female victim who outsmarts him and gets away. Read the lyrics.
Why does this offend you? Afraid some girl will get inspired and hunt you down?
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:39 am to TK421
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Why does this offend you? Afraid some girl will get inspired and hunt you down?
Who said I was offended? What started this was I was merely correcting another poster who thought the documentary’s point that Nirvana and Pearl Jam were into social justice causes was silly.
Edit: to be honest, even though Gen Xers like to disparage Millennials and Zoomers for being too woke, Gen X popular culture was often just as woke. I think it was just lost on them at the time.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 8:49 am
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:56 am to UndercoverBryologist
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Edit: to be honest, even though Gen Xers like to disparage Millennials and Zoomers for being too woke, Gen X popular culture was often just as woke. I think it was just lost on them at the time.
Yeah, but I think "don't rape people" is probably more useful and welcome than "let your 15-year-old daughter take testosterone."
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:57 am to Havoc
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Damn was up till 4 am watching sets of it on YT.
I can’t fathom how people can do that - thrash for several hours in the heat in the mob of thousands and then at the end of the day, then what? Did y’all actually sleep?
That's pretty much it. If I wasn't 21 there was no way I could do it. Usually slept from about 2-8 AM I think in the tents, I don't remember it being hot and/or miserable at night (it still was upstate NY, and not Louisiana, after all). The tent area was grassed, so it didn't have that "hot tarmac" problem of where the concerts were.
The good thing was, with that many acts they had to be reasonably accurate with what time each band started, so you didn't have to show up at 4PM in the heat to watch a band finally walk out at 5:45, if you knew who you wanted to watch you can work it cutting it close. And, while there were a lot of people there, there was a lot of mosh pits, so you can use those and bounce your way closer to the stage if you wanted to get a closer view.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 8:57 am to USMEagles
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USMEagles
We haven’t even touched upon Kurt Cobain’s support of LGBTQ rights yet.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 9:07 am to UndercoverBryologist
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We haven’t even touched upon Kurt Cobain’s support of LGBTQ rights yet.
Oh, he was probably a leftist wackjob in some ways. We also had that 4 Non Blondes chick with the "frick daddy" boots, Sinead O'Connor, etc.
The need for aggressive right-wing action never goes away.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:05 am to LegendInMyMind
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Not many there who did alot of emerging after all.
Fatboy Slim?
If they had about a modest level of fame for three years and figured out the party was over in 10…
Posted on 7/26/21 at 10:42 am to UndercoverBryologist
quote:
Edit: to be honest, even though Gen Xers like to disparage Millennials and Zoomers for being too woke, Gen X popular culture was often just as woke. I think it was just lost on them at the time.
A portion of Gen X certainly hit a woke spot. However, culture pretty quickly put a stop to it and redirected it. There was that brief PC flare up in the early 90's, but even as soon as '94 (for instance, with the movie PCU) it was pretty handily put down....and course corrected in the other direction probably a bit too far in the late 90's.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:43 am to UndercoverBryologist
quote:Why would I need to read the lyrics? I told you the lyrics were about a rape. Sorry but there is nothing implicitly or explicitly feminist about escaping from a rapist. KC had several songs with strong feminist themes but you chose a poor example.
The song is about a sex predator male main character and his female victim who outsmarts him and gets away. Read the lyrics.
If the feminism of the song isn’t readily apparent, then I don’t know what to say.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 11:44 am
Posted on 7/26/21 at 11:59 am to northshorebamaman
quote:
Why would I need to read the lyrics? I told you the lyrics were about a rape. Sorry but there is nothing implicitly or explicitly feminist about escaping from a rapist. KC had several songs with strong feminist themes but you chose a poor example.
It’s not just that it’s about rape. It’s about how Cobain writes the female character as the hero of the story by having her turn the tables on her assailant by psychologically manipulating him to make her escape.
Unless I’ve got the concept of feminism totally wrong, a story of a woman being the hero of her own story (her empowerment) is the textbook definition of a feminist story.
Edit: According to Wikipedia, the notion that the victim psycologically manipulated her assailant isn't a part of the actual true-life story that inspired Cobain to write the song. So, he deliberately added that part as a choice to empower the character.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 12:04 pm
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