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re: With more solar farms in the works, West Baton Rouge leaders move to require permits

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Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
10868 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 10:10 am to
My outdoor Christmas lights were solar powered. A solar panel the size of a 3 x 5 index card powered my lights through 14-16 hours of darkness during the winter.
Posted by Emteein
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
3962 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 10:18 am to
Why don't we utilize that big arse fricking river that flows through here every fricking day to generate power? I'm not talking about putting a dam on the river, but there are methods to do hydroelectric without blocking the entire river. There is emerging technologies that utilize Run-of-river type hydroelectric generators that don't block the river, installing several of these along the river could take care of a lot of power needs for many communities without creating a ton of pollution and allow for regular river use.

I know typically hydroelectric rely on kinetic energy generated by water flowing from large changes in elevation, but what we don't have in changes in elevation we do have in sheer volume of water.

It would take an enormous commitment from local government, but any step away from what we have in place would take just as much of a commitment. I just think hydroelectric is much more reliable than sunshine or wind, if you are going the "green" route for power generation.
Posted by stewie
Member since Jan 2006
3999 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 10:21 am to
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might be a dumb question but is solar cheaper than NG power? Or does the solar farm charge the same to Entergy and we see no difference?


Solar is cheaper than NG if you are starting from scratch (new construction).

Natural gas power is currently cheaper to produce than solar with the current price of NG. And there a incredible reserves of NG in the immediate state area.

With all that said, nuclear is currently the most green source of energy on the earth.
Posted by Emteein
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
3962 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 10:26 am to
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nuclear is currently the most green source of energy on the earth.


I just don't like what to do with the spent fuel cells and also the sourcing of the fuel.

spent fuel is basically buried below the surface for future generations to deal with and sourcing uranium is through open pit mining which is about the worst thing you can do to the planet.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20073 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 10:27 am to
Last research I did it was not cheaper than NG. This was 4-5 yrs ago though.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17179 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 10:32 am to
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TRANSLATION : The board wants to be bribed before they'll let you do something good for their constituants.



How is this good for their constituents?
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
7603 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:21 am to
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With all that said, nuclear is currently the most green source of energy on the earth


Shame we don’t do more of that
Posted by Dingeaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2005
5435 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 12:11 pm to
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tigerinthebueche

must be a Bueche Road guy?

i agree with you. Ties up the land for 20 years. the landowner will be lucky if the deal goes the entire 20. Will also be lucky if the panels are removed when the contract is done. I don't know if this is true but I heard that the land cannot be farmed for several years (100) once the panels are installed. Perhaps due to the materials of construction in the panels.

Also, will SUN ELECTRIC have their hand in these installations. Funny how they are linked to the Parish President.
Posted by Norbert
Member since Oct 2018
3487 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 12:14 pm to
We must spare no expense in our attempts to lower the earth's temp by .01 degrees F in the next century.

REJOIN THE PARIS AGREEMENT
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20073 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 12:21 pm to
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land cannot be farmed for several years (100) once the panels are installed.


Any validity to this?
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
79732 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:09 pm to
Well why isnt my electric bill lower?
Posted by Norbert
Member since Oct 2018
3487 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:13 pm to
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With all that said, nuclear is currently the most green source of energy on the earth


Yup.

Nuclear>natural gas>coal.

Solar and wind will never come close to meeting our energy needs with current technology.

Humanity AND the planet would be better off completely ignoring climate change than going through with radical proposals like the Green New Deal, which will negligibly impact climate change but will markedly slow down economic growth and disproportionately hurt poor people.

Ask yourself: who is affected most by high energy prices?
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 1:14 pm
Posted by ElderTiger
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2010
7423 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:15 pm to
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It is laughable that people think solar is green.


This - anybody ever see what it takes to mine Lithium ?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282536 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:17 pm to
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"We're basically here tonight to protect both the landowner, the developer and the resident,"


Biggest lie ever told.
Posted by Concernednewguy7
Texas
Member since Dec 2020
1073 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:48 pm to
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"We're basically here tonight to protect both the landowner, the developer and the resident,"


Lol
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15111 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 5:47 pm to
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Any validity to this?


Been a busy afternoon, so just seeing this.

I've never heard this. The few reconverted pieces of land I've seen that were wiped out after Maria and not rebuilt looked pretty green again after a couple months. I can't speak to the how great the soil was. With the exception of serious heavy metal contamination from old tech and busted cells, I've never heard of any theoretical issues or seen any come up in the environmental impact.

That's not to say any energy development doesn't take its toll on the land. Windmills, pipelines, pump jacks, and solar all have to potential to have a negative impact if operated by shitty companies and if the land owner takes a higher yield deal that puts his land at risk and doesn't bank roll for a clean up. I prefer deals that have that baked in. I was shocked to see LA doesn't require something. I avoid those deals because they're usually d-list players on all sides.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15111 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 5:51 pm to
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Would you be cool with someone building one on the 1000 acres that surround your home? Would you like to roll the dice on how it’s
Gonna affect your homes value or your quality of life? If so, ask them to put this one in your hood.

I agree The landowner has a right to do what he wants with his property. But this is a bad deal for WBR. It provides ONE permanent job and ties up the land for 20 years. It’s a shitty deal for WBR and those who live around it.

Also, when the owner of the power gen company goes tits up ala Solyndra, who’s going to clean up the massive solar farm?


Your theoretical question is actually one I live. My wife has land that's surrounded by wind turbines. We don't love it, but it is what it is. The rights of property owners to do whatever they please is deeply American, and even more deeply engrained in West Texas.

Regarding the developer or asset manager going tits up, it happens. There are contractual mechanics responsible land owners can put in place to prevent this. Similarly to how some O&G lease have aa P&A fund established. Unfortunately many people just see $$ and don't push for things like that and you can end up with old leaky pump jacks, busted solar, etc. I do think this is something the government should opine on and force developers to do. To me, that's a reasonable measure.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37029 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 6:04 pm to
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My wife has land that's surrounded by wind turbines. We don't love it, but it is what it is. The rights of property owners to do whatever they please is deeply American, and even more deeply engrained in West Texas



Is your primary home on that land?

I’m as deeply American as anyone about property rights which makes this a difficult issue for me. I’m not totally opposed to the solar farm. But there’s a lot left t be answered and I do not trust my government to have my back.



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Regarding the developer or asset manager going tits up, it happens. There are contractual mechanics responsible land owners can put in place to prevent this.



Which land owner? Me or the cocksucker who’s getting paid rent and lives in another state? As for “it happens”, frick you. It might, like burglaries and rape, but it shouldn’t.

Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
12003 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 6:25 pm to
Carbon is so deadly that an neonates first breath expels it! BAN BABIES! I am with the guys that say atmospheric carbon levels FOLLOW the earths temperature, not lead it. The NUCLEAR activity on the sun is what causes the changes of the earths temperature over time.

Speaking of Nuclear, Nature provides it from far away, lets harness it closer to home. Nuclear is the only form of electricity plant I think we should be building. Everything else does more damage to the environment.

Now I wouldn't rule out solar as a technology. Unreliable grids, remote and rural installations all make sense to install small grids on top of buildings. Solar panel + a lifepo4 battery power a TON of things that don't have grid access.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15111 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 6:25 pm to
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Is your primary home on that land?


I don’t see how this is relevant but we spend about half our time there. She’s the fifth generation of her family on the land.

Regarding the other part that my iPad won’t let me quote for some reason:

I’ve seen it from all angles. Pissed neighbors that were excluded, pissed surface rights owners who sold mineral development rights, pissed land owners who had a developer lined up that pulled out because neighbors or a local ahj blocked it. Seems like someone’s unhappy no matter if your drilling wells, running pipelines, building solar or wind turbines. But that can’t dictate energy policy unless we want to all be Amish. But I do agree there should be measures to prevent shitty companies from abandoning projects.

ETA. Regarding the out of state cocksucker. Do you feel the same way about apartment complexes, department stores, etc that fall into disrepair while remote owners collect rent? And yes,this is exactly like murder or rape lol. We should probably make is a capital offense.
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 6:43 pm
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