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re: Wisconsin police release deadly shooting of police and paramedics trying to help a man
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:15 pm to Ray Corona
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:15 pm to Ray Corona
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I take it you also think people with depression and other such disorders are "mentally weak".
Pretty sure that is called 'crazy' or 'insane' not a disease.
I don't think depression is really enough to call someone crazy or insane personally but whatever. Addiction is more akin to these types of mental disorder than a "disease" as you are defining it.
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:17 pm to el Gaucho
Haha
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:18 pm to Ed Osteen
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Ray, I don’t take this website seriously but if you lived in BR I would beat the living frick out of you. Knowing I’ll never get that chance, your stance on addiction is the problem
If that makes you feel better so be it. I mean look at your responses on here. Mentally you are a mess. I got the mental edge over you and very likely have a physical edge over you as well. You can't handle it mate. You would likely get knocked spark out then go and drown yourself in a bottle.
I am not celebrating your condition nor do I want anything to happen to you. Stop calling it a 'disease' it is an insult to people who have real diseases that they have no control over.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:23 pm to Sneaky__Sally
This conversation sucks
It's between a blowhard and responsible addicts. The blowhard treats the responsible addicts like they're shitbags. The responsible addicts tend to hold themselves out as the rule when in many cases they're the exception to it.
It's between a blowhard and responsible addicts. The blowhard treats the responsible addicts like they're shitbags. The responsible addicts tend to hold themselves out as the rule when in many cases they're the exception to it.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:27 pm to EarlyCuyler3
I just have one question for you......at what stage in ones life does the usual addict become an addict? Before they are 10 yrs old, 20 yrs old, 30 yrs old? Or does it happen after they have experimented with XYZ drug that they become an addict?
A decision had to be made, at whatever point in life, to do drugs....that initial decision then lead to more decisions of more drugs....which then lead to the addiction. Now im sure you will spit out some example of a baby born addicted to heroin because the mother was while pregneant and this and that.....but seriously...a decision was made to take drugs and then take more and more to where the body then become dependent on that drug....so now its a disease because you kept making poor decisions? Call it what you want, a disease, malfunction, loose bolt, having an episode, IDGAF....decisions were made that lead you down that path of addiction and the "disease"
Now, do i believe anyone can be an addict? Yes, most definitely...addicted to caffeine, cigarettes, food, porn, sex, drugs, all kinds of shite......but again it all goes back to a decision being made.....hey i tried this coca-cola and i love it and i want more and more of the caffeine even though i know its probably not good for me.....is that a disease? Is this not the same as hanging around friends who offer you a drug and you decide, yes i want to do this drug, no one is forcing you to stick that needle in your arm. guess what happens, you like the feeling that drug gave you so you decide to do more of it no matter what the consequences are....and now you claim to have a disease because you could not overcome temptation, peer pressure, morals, etc.
It comes down to choices and decision making...some people grow up in an environment where poor decision making is the norm so they are pron to follow that path as well because its what you know.
A decision had to be made, at whatever point in life, to do drugs....that initial decision then lead to more decisions of more drugs....which then lead to the addiction. Now im sure you will spit out some example of a baby born addicted to heroin because the mother was while pregneant and this and that.....but seriously...a decision was made to take drugs and then take more and more to where the body then become dependent on that drug....so now its a disease because you kept making poor decisions? Call it what you want, a disease, malfunction, loose bolt, having an episode, IDGAF....decisions were made that lead you down that path of addiction and the "disease"
Now, do i believe anyone can be an addict? Yes, most definitely...addicted to caffeine, cigarettes, food, porn, sex, drugs, all kinds of shite......but again it all goes back to a decision being made.....hey i tried this coca-cola and i love it and i want more and more of the caffeine even though i know its probably not good for me.....is that a disease? Is this not the same as hanging around friends who offer you a drug and you decide, yes i want to do this drug, no one is forcing you to stick that needle in your arm. guess what happens, you like the feeling that drug gave you so you decide to do more of it no matter what the consequences are....and now you claim to have a disease because you could not overcome temptation, peer pressure, morals, etc.
It comes down to choices and decision making...some people grow up in an environment where poor decision making is the norm so they are pron to follow that path as well because its what you know.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:27 pm to Pettifogger
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The responsible addicts tend to hold themselves out as the rule when in many cases they're the exception to it.
Definitely not the rule. The underlying principle is what allowed for that exception though. Unfortunately only about 10% of addicts ever obtain long-term recovery. But the 10% who do tend to agree on the principle of the condition.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:29 pm to el Gaucho
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What they don’t tell you is that the narcan is more addictive than the heroin and marijuana they od on
Wrong.
Abridged version:
"Is Naloxone Addictive?
No, naloxone is not addictive or habit-forming the way that opioid agonists are."
Unabridged version.
The potential for addiction results from naloxone being mixed w/ addictive prescription drugs like buprenorphine or pentazocine (i.e. Suboxone and Talwin Nx).
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:31 pm to honeybadger07
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at what stage in ones life does the usual addict become an addict?
There is none. Some in early teenage years. Some not until retirement. It all just depends. Not unlike many traditional diseases. There are multiple things that lead to pathology.
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a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific signs or symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury.
That is the definition of a disease. Does that not fit the signs and symptoms of addiction?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:31 pm to Ray Corona
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You are trying to excuse your behavior as a 'disease
This is the apex of ignorance in this thread.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:32 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
Gaucho is just trolling. Don't take him seriously. 
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:34 pm to Ray Corona
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mean look at your responses on here. Mentally you are a mess. I got the mental edge over you and very likely have a physical edge over you as well. You can't handle it mate.
Obligatory response
you don’t know me Ray Where do you live out of curiosity
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:39 pm to Ed Osteen
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Obligatory response you don’t know me Ray
Sure I do. I mean you are threatening random people on a message board because of your lack of self control and choices and failures. What else would we call it?
You are mentally weak. You are Sonny Liston or Mike Tyson and I am your Ali or Lennox Lewis. You are a scared coward with no self control making threats on a message board. Some control and mental strength you have.
Give it up man. You don't have a disease. You have an extreme lack of self control, self respect, and self worth. You have flaws as most people do but they aren't a 'disease'. That is a crutch your counselors try and sell you to make yourself not feel as bad as your already do.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:42 pm to Ed Osteen
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Where do you live out of curiosity
It's in my profile. Why do you not have your location listed publicly?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:42 pm to Ed Osteen
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Do you think I chose to be an alcoholic?
No idea, but if you stopped abusing alcohol, I think you chose that.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:44 pm to Ray Corona
I saw people talking crap about people who lived in Baton Rouge and surrounding areas in 2016 after the flood ripping people new ones for not having flood insurance.
I think this is a better analogy then people with cancer who can't help that they have it.
I think this is a better analogy then people with cancer who can't help that they have it.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:44 pm to Ed Osteen
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I have offered no excuse for my alcoholism. I want you to tell me why I’m mentally weak
because you could not put the bottle down as your life was spiraling out of control?
My grandfather was huge alcoholic (was drummer in a band playing in bars all around new orleans)...my dad grew up seeing this and dragging him out of the bars because he couldn't walk or starting violence at home while wasted....he made a decision early on in life that he did not want to go down that path so he made the decision not to drink no matter the peer pressure from his friends or doing what was cool....i would call that being mentally strong and not everyone could make that decision.
Did you not ever have a time in your life where you could have made a decision before you were an alcoholic to not drink anymore? or was it always forced upon you and you had no say so?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:51 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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So did the smoker that has lung cancer. So did the diabetic that continues to eat garbage. So did the dialysis patient that wouldn't take his HTN medications?
Maybe there isnt meds for it, i dont know, but is this not your direct quote from earlier that i was just quoting from YOU as an example....you just make that up like your disease?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:52 pm to Ray Corona
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happen to you. Stop calling it a 'disease' it is an insult to people who have real diseases that they have no control over.
American medical Association and a lot of other medical associations define it as a disease. So I guess you know more than them?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:53 pm to honeybadger07
I just don’t see how anyone thinks it’s helpful to throw out the “mentally weak” angle.
It’s almost like y’all assume that everyone is born with the exact same zero point of mental strength/potential and then everything after that is up to them.
You don’t believe that about physical characteristics, so why about mental characteristics?
You don’t even believe it about other mental things like intelligence.
So why harp on addicts being mentally weak? It’s basically tautological, and again, how is it helpful? If your own son came to you and asked for help with addiction, would your answer simply be “stop being mentally weak”.
There’s a huge gap between that response and completely absolving them of responsibility for their actions.
It’s almost like y’all assume that everyone is born with the exact same zero point of mental strength/potential and then everything after that is up to them.
You don’t believe that about physical characteristics, so why about mental characteristics?
You don’t even believe it about other mental things like intelligence.
So why harp on addicts being mentally weak? It’s basically tautological, and again, how is it helpful? If your own son came to you and asked for help with addiction, would your answer simply be “stop being mentally weak”.
There’s a huge gap between that response and completely absolving them of responsibility for their actions.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:54 pm to Ed Osteen
Ed don’t let him get to you, he’s ignorant on the issue. It is what it is.
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