re: Winn Dixie Tesla charging station line today

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I realize the home charging station is an additional few grand for an electrician to install above and beyond purchase price

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Nah, about $500.

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but why would anyone buy one of these without having that installed in tandem with purchasing the car?

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Agreed, at least for my sensibilities. If I couldn't charge at home, I wouldn't own an EV.

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"One fact is striking: Ford only delivered 12,000 electric vehicles in the first quarter, which means that the carmaker lost $58,333 for each clean car sold during this period.

Ford explained this poor performance by higher costs, mainly higher engineering, and spending-related expenses, commodities and other inflationary pressures. Weak sales volumes are due, the carmaker said, to scheduled downtime at the Cuautitlan assembly plant in Mexico, to increase the Mach-E capacity to 35 jobs per hour. "

sustainable

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I'd bet a good amount this dude said the same thing about Tesla but won't admit it.

percentage wise tesla wins, and when you figure in the soar panel company tesla "absorbed" theres even more questionable gov't handouts.

If the gov't would stop mandating random regulations, then car companies could sell profitable cars. Every car company tries to plan years ahead for the regs, and then the gov changes that, and engineering gets their overtime, and cost of the vehicle goes up

the gov't involvement makes everyone lose. I am sure stoves and water heaters get cheaper with the new regs.

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do you have any idea how dumb you sound?

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you did voltage, good boy, now do current.

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I only mentioned the voltage required for level 2 charging because you can't get the wattage from 110. But if you want to dick-sling about electrical knowledge, I'm in.

I put level 1 charging in the context of a space heater because no one is concerned about breaking the grid when they use one. You probably won't find a space heater rated higher than 1500 watts because 110 circuits are typically 15 amps and there's a bit of a safety factor.

If you install a level 2 charger, you should probably have it on a dedicated circuit. And of course the more amps the better, but it will work on any and just charge slower.

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What are your mains? You can run the dryer, AC, or charge the car, but only 2 outta 3 at any one time

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I have 200 amp service. My house will run my electric dryer, both AC units totaling 7.5 tons, my 5kw electric oven, microwave, and all lighting and misc at the same time without issue. I know because I did it while testing my max draw before having my generator installed. I could easily charge an EV at ~7kw at any time of day, but that would never happen at any time other than at night. That's just common sense.

Homes with 100 amp service have level 2 chargers without issue as well. As with any high draw appliance, have it wired properly and use it with an ounce of intelligence and things are fine.

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and now you admit that the chargers will cost as much to run as the AC.

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You seem to be admitting that you don't know dick about electricity. What I "admitted" was that a level 2 charger is about on par with central AC as far as power (in the ~5kw range). But we pay for energy, kw-hours, power multiplied by time. Whether it costs you more to run your AC or charge your EV is dependent on the weather and your driving habits. Whatever the case, the power bill increase will be far less than the gasoline bill that it offsets.

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How many houses can be run off that transformer? Now reduce that number by 30% because of demand to charge EV's

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That might be the case if EVs were being charged during peak consumption times, but that is rare. Off-peak, overnight charging is the norm, and it doesn't matter when you actually plug the car in.

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You constantly sport non facts, stop misleading people

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You don't know dick about dick. Whether it's intentional or due to ignorance, you are the one spouting non-facts.

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then car companies could sell profitable cars.

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You think they are not selling profitable cars?

Boom!
I’m not really picking a “side” so to speak, but that was a well done post

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You think they are not selling profitable cars?

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I started to type out a post to explain to him how depreciation, R&D expense amortization, capex, etc. work and that so much of the "loss" is more about running from paying taxes (from profitable product lines), but we know explaining that to him would be a lost cause.

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You don't know dick about dick.

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ev requirements

you are misinformed, then

weren't you the one who argued the tesla battery was 12 volts?

"I have 200 amp service. My house will run my electric dryer (30 amp minimum), both AC units totaling 7.5 tons (2 x 50 amp), my 5kw electric oven, (another 30 amp min)

~160 amps plus the other stuff. That is cutting it close. current laws require 125+ safety factor, too

and I don't know about electricity, as I sit in the lab surrounded by high end electric, physical, and electronic standards

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You ask the right question there but the cost to purchase and install is under $2k for most everyone. At my house I wouldn't even hit $1k

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I think if you ask everyone how much they would pay to have a gas pump installed at their house that filled their car up overnight at a cost of about $1.50/gallon, the answers would be higher than that.

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site? They have a fleet of EV's and they have their employees sitting in damn lines t

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Those are mostly Uber/lift drivers for the 7th time. LOL