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re: Will Smith's BAC 3x the legal limit when he was shot

Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:12 pm to
Posted by gmrkr5
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:12 pm to
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illegally possessed a firearm


i missed this... was there something about Smith's gun that came back "illegal"?
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:13 pm to
The plot thickens.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:13 pm to
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saints fans?

funny you should mention it... the lead investigator on the case... I'd almost be willing to bet... is more than likely a Bills fan

Bruce Brueggeman bio

Born and raised in Buffalo... was a cop in Florida before moving to narcotics work in Georgia... joined DeKalb County Police in their major felony unit before coming to NOPD homicide in 2013

I dare say he's probably not a Saints fan
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:13 pm to
Smith family lawyer getting blasted on twitter for initially saying Smith was not inebriated to the point that he couldnt drive.

just one of the few things he lied about
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:14 pm to
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i missed this... was there something about Smith's gun that came back "illegal"?



i believe driving around drunk with a gun is illegal.

not an expert though
Posted by lsuhunt555
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Member since Nov 2008
39015 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:14 pm to
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and a drunk smith gets out claiming he has a gun or Raquel pulls the gun. what do you do?


Leave as quicklyas possible. Im not some billy badass who needs to keep heat in my truck. I've got young children and i've got car insurance. If I rear end someone and they threaten to kill me, im likely going home and im going to let my car insurance pay for the damage.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

funny you should mention it... the lead investigator on the case... I'd almost be willing to bet... is more than likely a Bills fan Bruce Brueggeman bio Born and raised in Buffalo... was a cop in Florida before moving to narcotics work in Georgia... joined DeKalb County Police in their major felony unit before coming to NOPD homicide in 2013 I dare say he's probably not a Saints fan


one person is in charge of everything. he may have some pressure on him from his boss you don't know that either.

I'm sticking to my notion that everyone was impaired and actin a fool. nobody "deserved" to die but they all made choices to get to where they are now
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39626 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:16 pm to
Just like TM's past had nothing to do with GZ shooting him at that moment.

Even though we know GZ's story is/was sketchy AF, was his life in danger "at that moment"?

If Hayes' attorney can somehow show that Hayes feared for his life "at that moment" he may have a chance at a reduced charge.
The two things that hurt him are the fact that he shot WS in the back and the fact that he shot Mrs. Smith.

Just an uneducated opinion...
Posted by TigerFred
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:17 pm to
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hat does this have to do with Hayes not being found guilty?


Has a lot to do with why Smith may have been acting irrational.


quote:

The burden is on him to prove that his life was in imminent danger


No the burden is on the prosecution to prove that Hayes was not in imminent danger. At this point there has been nothing that I have seen would say that Hayes murdered Smith. With all of the information that is public right now, the prosecution has a case for manslaughter.

Posted by lsuhunt555
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:17 pm to
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nobody "deserved" to die but they all made choices to get to where they are now


Absolutely, but Smith being drunk didn't then make Hayes' actions acceptable.
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
15143 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

i believe driving around drunk with a gun is illegal. not an expert though


aaah forgot about that... Smith was a CCL holder.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
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Member since Nov 2012
66097 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:17 pm to
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Leave as quicklyas possible. Im not some billy badass who needs to keep heat in my truck. I've got young children and i've got car insurance. If I rear end someone and they threaten to kill me, im likely going home and im going to let my car insurance pay for the damage.


what if you can't drive away?

I'm not flaming you just curious.

there is a point where one cannot run away. I wasn't there and we don't have facts to support if hayes could have left the scene or not.
Posted by Scooba
Member since Jun 2013
20014 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:18 pm to
I think when they mentioned securing footage at Hustler Club and Ruth Chris' earlier that night we all knew he was intoxicated. Well, by WE I mean You, Me and Lester.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
147090 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

one person is in charge of everything. he may have some pressure on him from his boss you don't know that either.

I'm sticking to my notion that everyone was impaired and actin a fool. nobody "deserved" to die but they all made choices to get to where they are now

but it's his decision to recommend a murder charge and the 1 he will have to provide a reason for in court b/c you know he will be called to testify during the trial to explain his investigation
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63028 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

Smith family lawyer getting blasted on twitter for initially saying Smith was not inebriated to the point that he couldnt drive.

just one of the few things he lied about



I would put it a different way. I would say, this is just another example of something he CLEARLY lied about (the other being the initial hit and run). And, because of his lies, it brings in to question the veracity of any of his statements.

Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39626 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:18 pm to
And, FWIW, in Louisiana, you do not have a duty to retreat.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111413 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

was there something about Smith's gun that came back "illegal"?
Yes. Possessing it while shitfaced
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
66097 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:19 pm to
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but Smith being drunk didn't then make Hayes' actions acceptable.


nobody has said that in this thread.
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
39015 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:20 pm to
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If Hayes' attorney can somehow show that Hayes feared for his life "at that moment" he may have a chance at a reduced charge.


Absolutely, the thing that IMO hurts him, are the shots in the back. Reminds me of the pharmacist who shot one of the kids who broke into his place and then went back to pump 5 more into the kid after the rest got away. He got life in prison.
Posted by Rouge
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Member since Oct 2004
138530 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 2:20 pm to
after watching Weediquette on Viceland, I have full expectation that Leon Cannizarro will push for death penalty in the case where we have a Murder 1 conviction.

No way should be a Murder 1, but they could try to prove premeditation during auto chase
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 2:23 pm
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