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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:50 pm to Geauxgurt
Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:50 pm to Geauxgurt
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Finally, people of you defending Hayes with every breathe
Not defending anyone. There havent been enough facts revealed in the trial to take up defense for either side yet. Im going right now off of what it looks like based on my own personal experience living in NOLA and dealing with many types of situations and personality types.
In my post that I think youre referring to I was laying out a hypothetical. No one can really do anything but play Devils Advocate or make common sense guesses right now. There just isnt enough information out yet.
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will just claim Ge is the victim of WS's celebrity.
If you dont think this will play a part at some conscious or subconscious level in the minds of the jurors then I question your knowledge of the inner workings of Louisianians.
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Some idiot jumping up and down with his shirt off talking shite does not constitute eminent threat to your life.
Maybe, maybe not. Depends on what he was saying. Was he making direct threats? What was his proximity to C. Hayes? There are many factors that have to be considered. LA has very forgiving laws concerning self-defense. C. Haynes would have been best served to stay in his vehicle and make full use of LAs castle doctrine, specifically, your vehicle as an extension of your home and the protections afforded to you as such.
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O'Neal either lied to police or to OTL in an obvious attempt to support his friend's case. Amazing how his version of the event given to police the night it actually happened doesn't look good for his friend and then magically right before trial, he gives a media interview stating things very differently.
I either never had knowledge or dont recall his original statement to the arriving officers. Ill yield to you on this point.
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:54 pm to Mr. Hangover
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Not sure but I don't think it was a 1911, it was posted a few pages back but I'm not sure what their source was
Just realized I offered nothing
Right. I read a little later that it was a Ruger SR45 which holds 10 rounds I believe. If thats the case he likely panicked and unloaded the entire magazine. The other possibility is that the shooting was an intentional act out of rage.
The last round may have FTFeed.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 8:57 pm to nola000
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I either never had knowledge or dont recall his original statement to the arriving officers. Ill yield to you on this point.
Statements taken right after a crime like this, while necessary, should be taken with a grain of salt. You don't know how witnesses and suspects are feeling at that time.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:05 pm to tLSU
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Still doesn't reconcile with the fact that the first shot comes in directly on his left side, when he was facing his wife and not the cabin of the vehicle. If you believe that (there's definitely a shot there, and the angle will be discussed by the coroner) he had to be shooting at someone who wasn't even reaching for a gun.
Being in a situation like that is extremely stressful. Unless you train a bunch youre going to be blinded by adrenaline. Hell, cops do this kind of shite all the time. You can go to Youtube right now and pull up a video of a subway cop pulling his firearm thinking it was his taser and lighting up an uncooperative suspect that was no threat and sitting on the ground. Keep searching as there are many like it.
Its likely C. Hayes made the decision to fire once W. Smith proclaimed he was going to get his firearm and started back to his vehicle. I imagine that in C. Haynes mind, right or wrong, he wasnt going to let W. Smith retrieve a firearm of his own.
I think the strike to the left-side of W. Smith gives us a window into C. Hayes' mind right before the shooting. "Im not going to let this guy even the playing field." Problem for C. Hayes is he had already escalated the threat of force by exiting his vehicle with his firearm in hand with no apparent or reasonable threat to himself from the other parties. The shirtless guy and the angry W. Smith allegedly came afterwards.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:09 pm to nola000
Any chance Haynes is called as a witness?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:14 pm to nola000
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Being in a situation like that is extremely stressful. Unless you train a bunch your going to be blinded by adrenaline. Its likely he made the decision to fire once W. Smith proclaimed he was going to get his firearm and started back to his vehicle. I imagine that in C. Haynes mind, right or wrong, he wasnt going to let W. Smith retrieve a firearm of his own.
I think the strike to the left-side of W. Smith gives us a window into C. Hayes' mind right before the shooting. "Im not going to let this guy even the playing field."
the part that's problematic is that SO FAR the only person that's said in open court Smith proclaimed he was going to get a gun was Hayes himself on McGaw's 911 tape
someone else who is trustworthy is going to need to corroborate that... otherwise it's just someone who realizes he's in big doodoo trying to make a story to get himself out of it
note: I'm going off testimony that's been presented in open court only... nothing else
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:15 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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I would rank it well below well done forensics by competent people. I also wouldn't include NOPD within those realms.
just interested in hearing the bystanders as their has to be a few.
I watched a documentary not too long ago about some studies done on peoples memory recall in traumatic events. It was NOT good. Like, it was terrible. Remember the old "tell a secret", "pass it on" exercise in the cafeteria of elementary school? Secret starts out that Johnny likes Suzie and by the end of the table Suzie has an abortion because Johnny was smoking meth during conception?
Yea.
Hard evidence = 10
Witness testimony = 2
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:15 pm to Janky
80% yes. It's a must happen if he wants them to believe he was in fear and explain why it was reasonable to feel that way.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:18 pm to Janky
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Any chance Haynes is called as a witness?
No.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:23 pm to tLSU
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80% yes. It's a must happen if he wants them to believe he was in fear and explain why it was reasonable to feel that way.
people said the same thing about zimmerman. why would fuller let him testify? I doubt he is the most eloquent speaker so unless nothing better witness wise comes up, I just dont see how it would help.
At this point I think he gets convicted, but we still have alot to go. I definitely need to hear some witnesses say that will smith talked about a gun before I change my mind on that.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:24 pm to Chad504boy
What's up Chad? What I missed?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:25 pm to tLSU
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80% yes. It's a must happen if he wants them to believe he was in fear and explain why it was reasonable to feel that way.
Spoken like a true prosecutor. No way in hell. Bookmark this
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:25 pm to tLSU
One prosecution question to get a contradiction would immediately mark him guilty in front of jury
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:28 pm to tgrbaitn08
Fred downvoted me a lot today.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:29 pm to Red Stick Tigress
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Any chance Haynes is called as a witness?
No.
Did your best friend judge Buras tell you that?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:29 pm to lsupride87
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No. He is a friend of Will Smith. His testimony is no more of a smoking gun then the testimony O'Neal will give
The fact that you got 5 downvotes and not a single upvote for this comment tells me all I need to know about the posters on this thread.
O'Neal is a witness and a friend of the defendant.
P. Thomas is a witness and a friend of the victim.
Their testimonies hold equal weight.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:30 pm to Chad504boy
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One prosecution question to get a contradiction would immediately mark him guilty in front of jury
which would be "did you call 911 after the 1st accident"
then either show Fuller saying to the media that he did adays fter the murder or the phone records showing he didn't
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:33 pm to Mr. Hangover
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To be fair, I've been around sports a long time and I've never seen a coach ask an ex player to come back and help his staff if said player was a shithead... most of the time, the player offered a spot was a model teammate in the locker room... if WS was a problem on or off the field and didn't handle himself with class I doubt he would have been offered that opportunity
Could be wrong, but that's just what I've seen
Football players are also generally known to be macho, hot-heads and at the NFL level, have huge egos as well. They flock together. Remember, S. Payton was a former player. To be fair, I dont recall W. Smith ever being the type to get in a scuffle on the field. I dont remember many or any personal foul calls against him. That doesnt mean he wasnt a hot-head in the street though. Could mean he was a good football player. Who wants a 15 yard penalty? :)
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:35 pm to nola000
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The fact that you got 5 downvotes and not a single upvote for this comment tells me all I need to know about the posters on this thread.
O'Neal is a witness and a friend of the defendant.
P. Thomas is a witness and a friend of the victim.
Their testimonies hold equal weight.
while correct...
do you trust O'Neal to be anywhere near as presentable on the witness stand as Thomas apparently was today
if not... he'll probably be seen as trustworthy as the Hernandez's... which isn't all that much
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