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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:57 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:57 pm to LNCHBOX
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Yes, I think Hayes had his gun first.
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Then how can you come to any conclusion other than Hayes is guilty?
You are a real fool.
I always keep my firearms close to me when Im in my vehicles. If someone committed a hit and run one me I would certainly follow them to get the license plate. Im not paying for those damages. I certainly wouldnt ram him from behind but if C. Hayes was so upset about the slight tap on his rear bumper why would he PURPOSELY ram into the back of W. Smiths Benz and make his own vehicle damage even worse? Its POSSIBLE that W. Smith brake checked C. Hayes or maybe was shitfaced drunk and didnt notice the car in front of him stopped and had an inebriated delayed reaction and had to stop short causing C. Hayes, who was following closely to get plate numbers, to run into the back of him.
Im guessing here but its a possibility.
I also wouldnt have exited my vehicle with my firearm. I probably wouldnt have exited my vehicle at all. Certainly not with crazy shirtless guys jumping around and another guy making angry threats. There might be blame to go all around here.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 9:59 pm
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:59 pm to tigerpimpbot
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Chances are zero point zero and you should know it. But I know you will say it insinuates he's guilty because he exercises his constitutional rights. That's what you guys do.
Ok
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:00 pm to tLSU
Would you agree if Hayes takes the stand, Fuller is feeling desperate?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:01 pm to Fun Bunch
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You can't pull out a gun because two guys are talking shite to you.
Now THIS I can agree with you on.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:01 pm to nola000
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There might be blame to go all around here.
But no one deserves to die over a fender bender. No one deserves 7 shots to the back.
Fist fight happy vs. Trigger happy = no win situation.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:04 pm to lsupride87
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Although the only thing that makes me question whether Hayes had a gun when he first got out the car is the fact Smith and Hernandez were willing to argue with a man with a gun? They were willing to go face to face with a man with a gun? Smiths wife was willing to get between a man with a gun?
I questioned this as well. Ive seen people ignore the presence of a firearm but its certainly not a normal response. Keep in mind they were also hopped up on liquid courage. One to the tune of 0.24 BAC. Post mortem .
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:07 pm to Fun Bunch
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You can't pull out a gun because two guys are talking shite to you.
Especially right after you just rammed the vehicle the 2 people you're arguing with were riding in.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:08 pm to TigahJay
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Yep I agree. I think it went down like this.
Hayes got out with gun in his pocket.
Both groups were arguing.
Smith and Hernandez are drunk and Hernandez is going crazy.
One of them may have swung at Hayes.
Hayes at this point takes out his concealed gun to get them to back off.
Smith then tells Hayes he is going to get his own gun.
So far. This is exactly what I think happened as well.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:10 pm to Chad504boy
Not necessarily. Like I've said, I've seen him call quads to the stand as a strategy that I think he went into trials with. Fuller has openly said for a long time that he thinks attorneys invoke the fifth too much in Orleans and has successfully used client testimony. He did it in that recent trial where he was caught tampering with the witnesses and got a NG.
I can definitely tell you the chance in Fuller's head is not "zero point zero," but I'm only the one who has tried murders against him, so the other guy may know better.
I can definitely tell you the chance in Fuller's head is not "zero point zero," but I'm only the one who has tried murders against him, so the other guy may know better.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:10 pm to tLSU
I respect your opinion on this case more than anyone. So as question do you think the prosecution has presented a case so far that will convict Hayes on murder2?
I am not sitting in the courtroom and not hearing the testimony. I am reading tweets and interpreting what others are saying and don't see a murder2 conviction based case n the prosecution case and the defense hasn't even present their case.
I am not sitting in the courtroom and not hearing the testimony. I am reading tweets and interpreting what others are saying and don't see a murder2 conviction based case n the prosecution case and the defense hasn't even present their case.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:10 pm to Red Stick Tigress
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Thanks but I don't have to work any more.
Sorry you do.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:12 pm to Red Stick Tigress
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But no one deserves to die over a fender bender. No one deserves 7 shots to the back.
do you think he was shot over a fender bender? that is silly.
at this point in my mind 1 of 3 things happened.
1. aggression by the smith party and smith threatening to retrieve a weapon caused hayes to shoot him.
2. aggression by the smith party and the stress of the situation caused hayes to make a bad judgement and shoot smith for no reason when he walked away.
3. aggression by the smith party and the confrontation between the 2 men enraged hayes to the point where he murdered smith for disrespecting him.
Nothing at this point makes me believe hayes did #3. so at this point he either fricked up and shot smith or smith made a threat and went to retrieve the weapon.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:13 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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one punch can frick someone up for life. if someone swings on someone else, I don't care if they got shot.
I agree. 100%
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You can't pull out a gun because two guys are talking shite to you
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sure you can. and who are you to decide if someone is scared for their life?
I disagree. 100%
People can say what they want. Thats Level #1. Verbal threats get my radar in operation. Getting physical is Level #10. Im only 5'11" 160lbs. Touch me and my peacemaker makes an appearance. Im a 4.4sec 40-yard dash guy so if I have an out Im not too proud to high-tail it but back me in a corner or catch me with my slow arse wife and kids and youve made a terribly regretful life-altering decision for all of us.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:16 pm to nola000
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So far. This is exactly what I think happened as well.
And I think Racquel did get Will to back off and walk back to the Benz.
I think R & W were talking at the driver's door, Will with his back to the driver's seat and Racquel facing him. Then I think she was shot first, then Will in his left side (which would have been facing Hayes standing closer to his own vehicle.)
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:16 pm to diat150
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1. aggression by the smith party and smith threatening to retrieve a weapon caused hayes to shoot him.
Okay, wasnt Rachel shot first?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:19 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:my guess is that she is victim of collateral damage.
Okay, wasnt Rachel shot first?
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:20 pm to Fun Bunch
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During deliberations, they will ask the Judge for clarifications regarding the law.
Do they have to follow it? No. But generally speaking, juries are pretty good about these things.
Which is why Jury Nullification needs to make a comeback. I know you prosecuting attorneys and judges just love when juries give you the jurisprudential version of the middle finger.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:22 pm to diat150
Then she had to have been standing or somewhat between WS and CH, she was almost like a human shield.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:23 pm to diat150
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do you think he was shot over a fender bender? that is silly.
It's what started the entire confrontation.
I think that Will Smith was impaired and didn't think he tapped the Hummer in front of Juan's. Therefore, I think that in his impaired state, this was the first and only accident.
Smith party had been drinking and someone rammed Smith's 160K car. I can easily see Will getting out the Benz shouting "WTF... "
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:23 pm to tLSU
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but I'm only the one who has tried murders against him, so the other guy may know better.
Well yeah, if you were the prosecutor he probably wasn't scared of your cross. Zing!
I kid. I kid. I respect your if opinion and the information you're providing. I would be shocked if he allows his client to be cross examined by the "best of the best" prosecutor.
This case is pretty fascinating.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 10:25 pm
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