re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter

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According to your posts the only evidence that matters is Hayes shot Smith

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Well that's a pretty insulting post, but I'm not going to get into it with an admin. I don't practice contract law and never have.

And I've never said that.

I've said all of the other stuff that keeps getting oooed and ahhed about is window dressing, look over here stuff. Its mostly irrelevant designed to fool idiots.

The defense has to establish a REASONABLE FEAR that his LIFE was in danger, and that he used the REASONABLE FORCE NECESSARY to preserve his life.

This will be explained to the jury in extremely intimate and painstaking detail, in detailed jury instructions.

Case law reflects what past juries have decided. It is pretty relevant and fairly consistent.

Hayes' defense has to rise to a much, much, much higher level than has been presented.

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Can you defend yourself just because someone is potentially arming themselves?

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Of course you should be able to, but 1. I have yet to see it be proven he was indeed arming himself. 2. Hayes wasn't obligated to stand there and wait. He could have diffused the situation by leaving. No?

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only case law matters

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Who said this? I've never uttered the words "only case law matters". Case law gives us insight into what past juries have done, consistently. Jury INSTRUCTIONS will say "If you believe this, you must find guilty. If you believe this, you must acquit" etc etc and that will be based on the statute and....case law.

I'm just going to withdraw from this before I say something I regret.

Ya'll have fun.

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He said he was going to get his gun. He was already back in the car with the door open and the gun was within reach between the drivers seat and the console. You don't think that indicates reaching? What do you think he was doing, twiddling his thumbs?

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You can go anywheres with this

Do we even know for sure he was shot while IN the car?

Despite eyewitnesses testimony, which has been pretty shoddy since day 1, nobody knows FOR SURE he was even going for his gun. It could have been a number of things.. is it likely he was going for his weapon? Yea absolutely, but he could have been going to get a phone to call the police, actually going to get into his car to try to get everyone to just leave, shite, he could have been getting a drink IDK...

I don't know what happened, just throwing shite at the wall

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is bac is so high that even if you cut it 30-40% you can say that it is probable that he made bad judgement due to alcohol.

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I'm not arguing for or against "bad judgement due to alcohol" just merely pointing out that BAC readings can be affected by things like... death.

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Opposing counsel tries to confuse and twist what you say.

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I'd be terrible on the stand because I have a fricking terrible memory, especially when it comes to conversations

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He could have diffused the situation by leaving. No?

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If stand your ground applies here then Hayes doesn't have to retreat.

However, the ability to retreat CAN be used against him as one factor of many.

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Of course you should be able to, but 1. I have yet to see it be proven he was indeed arming himself. 2. Hayes wasn't obligated to stand there and wait. He could have diffused the situation by leaving. No?

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I wasn't arguing with you, I was genuinely curious... look at one of my previous posts where I talk about WS being by the car

Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 3m3 minutes ago
J. Fuller has PT say that Racquel Smith would know what Will Smith is capable of. Then, has him explain how RS had her back to C. Hayes ...

Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 2m2 minutes ago
... during argument. He seems to insinuate Racquel Smith was worried about what her husband is capable of doing in tense moments, not ...

Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate 2m2 minutes ago
... Cardell Hayes. Anyway, they move on to how the Smiths were walking to the car, and the other men kept arguing.

This is stupid logic. If I get into an argument with a stranger my wife won't be concerned about the other person because she has no control over that person. Shell be concerned about me, because she has more control.

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Hayes' defense has to rise to a much, much, much higher level than has been presented.

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Yes, and the coming ballistics evidence from the coroner may make that insurmountable.

Unless Fuller can walk Smith's pistol out of the glove box, into the street and back between the seat and console, these diversions aren't enough.