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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter

Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:48 pm to
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:48 pm to
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Right? I don't understand the issue. One man shot an unarmed man 7 times in the back. That seems to me like a pretty steep hill to climb to call it justified.



You didn't know? If you get into a fight with two guys outside of your car you can shoot them. That's what I learned in this thread.
Posted by TigahJay
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:49 pm to
"Unarmed" but he was reaching for his gun
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:49 pm to
quote:

"Unarmed" but he was reaching for his gun



ORLY
Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:50 pm to
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"Unarmed" but he was reaching for his gun



Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
39028 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:50 pm to
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but he was reaching for his gun


Reaching =/= armed

And I'm not saying the defense can't climb that hill, im just saying it seems steep.
Posted by TigahJay
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:50 pm to
You think he wasn't? that part is pretty clear
Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
Member since Aug 2003
27893 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:51 pm to
You better stick to contract law or whatever you generally practice.

According to your posts the only evidence that matters is Hayes shot Smith and everything else is irrelevant. You keep going on about case law. Not one person in that jury is going to read case law to determine their verdict.
Posted by TigahJay
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2015
11402 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:51 pm to
The PT testimony is painting Hernandez as the aggressor. This gives the defense a lot more credibility to claim self defense.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:52 pm to
I agree with Fred
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:52 pm to
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If you get into a fight with two guys outside of your car you can shoot them.


of course you "can"

"should you" is another question

as well as "will you get a free trip to jail for it?"
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34929 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:52 pm to
Can you or anyone else give me a brief rundown of how this case will play out? I'm not talking about predicting a verdict or anything, but after the questions today, then what?

Just a little ignorant of the legal system




Probably a stupid question


This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 12:54 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
131013 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:53 pm to
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that part is pretty clear


There's never been any indication at any level that he was physically REACHING for anything
Posted by Zach Lee To Amp Hill
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2016
4991 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:53 pm to
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The PT testimony is painting Hernandez as the aggressor. This gives the defense a lot more credibility to claim self defense.


but not aggressive toward Hayes, who then shot the guy who wasn't being aggressive.
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
39028 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

This gives the defense a lot more credibility to claim self defense.

Im still having a hard time understanding why someone shot 7 times in the back is a threat.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:54 pm to
Did they find a gun in Smith's car?
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34929 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:55 pm to
Can you defend yourself just because someone is potentially arming themselves?
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
39028 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

but not aggressive toward Hayes, who then shot the guy who wasn't being aggressive.


Thats another point. Guy 1 swings on Guy 2, and that apparently justifies Guy 3 killing Guy 4? That doesnt make any sense to me.
Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
Member since Aug 2003
27893 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:56 pm to
If it is so irrelevant and only case law matters the DA must really suck. If all that testimony is being given without an objection by the DA when only case law matters then there is no chance Hayes gets convicted.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 12:57 pm
Posted by TigahJay
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2015
11402 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:56 pm to
He said he was going to get his gun. He was already back in the car with the door open and the gun was within reach between the drivers seat and the console. You don't think that indicates reaching? What do you think he was doing, twiddling his thumbs?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111847 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

Im still having a hard time understanding why someone shot 7 times in the back is a threat.
Really?

Can't think of anything?
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