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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:02 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:02 pm to lsupride87
I see two vehicles stopping and rocking forward and backward due to the abrupt stopping...nothing suggest there was a collision from this angle
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Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:02 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:My "guess" from the beginning is manslaughter. I def do not think Hayes handled this correctly
Hyperbole, but you've definitely been team Hayes and extremely skeptical of Smith from jumpstreet. It is what it is.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:02 pm to TigerFred
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Yes it is. When self defense is a claim the police are supposed to investigate.
Which they did through a toxicology report. A video from a restaurant is laughable. That's Fuller playing slight of hand.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:02 pm to TigerFred
Didn't they bring in the state police to look at this. I'm sure NOPD is clouded by their black and gold glasses like some of the posters here
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:02 pm to Chad504boy
We already know that Raquel was either too drunk to remember what happened or she's just a liar trying to protect her husband's name.
Remember when she (through her lawyer) claimed that they only had a little bit to drink that night and definitely not enough to be impaired in anyway? Also she (through her lawyer) somehow forgot to mention a person in their party going absolutely apeshit after the second collision prior to the shooting.
Racquel Smith's testimony is worth about as much as Cardell Hayes' mother's testimony on this case.
Remember when she (through her lawyer) claimed that they only had a little bit to drink that night and definitely not enough to be impaired in anyway? Also she (through her lawyer) somehow forgot to mention a person in their party going absolutely apeshit after the second collision prior to the shooting.
Racquel Smith's testimony is worth about as much as Cardell Hayes' mother's testimony on this case.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:03 pm to lsupride87
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My "guess" from the beginning is manslaughter. I def do not think Hayes handled this correctly
Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else then.
However I don't see much of a difference between Manslaughter and 2nd Degree in this particular case. 2nd Degree seems pretty appropriate...if self-defense/stand your ground doesn't stick.
This post was edited on 12/6/16 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:05 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Racquel Smith's testimony is worth about as much as Cardell Hayes' mother's testimony on this case.
Except for her being there and all. And getting shot.
She's a witness. A biased one but a witness.
It will paint a picture. Its up to a jury to see who is believable, not us sitting here on our asses.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:05 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Lester Earl
Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else then.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:05 pm to lsupride87
That makes sense 
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:06 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:He should have said O'neal. Hell, O'neal knocked that ESPN interview out the park.
Except for her being there and all. And getting shot.
She's a witness. A biased one but a witness.
He will be great on the stand. But he is biased as shite just like Raquel
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:06 pm to Fun Bunch
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Except for her being there and all. And getting shot.
Does this really matter if she lies or omits key details about the events that night?
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:07 pm to Fun Bunch
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t will paint a picture. Its up to a jury to see who is believable, not us sitting here on our asses.
this.
and the jury will be too busy trying to get drew's signature.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:07 pm to lsupride87
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Hell, O'neal knocked that ESPN interview out the park.
He wasn't getting cross-examined by a pretty darn good ADA.
We'll see.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:08 pm to JohnnyKilroy
The cross examination is gonna be a tricky one, for sure. Fuller needs to put doubt into the jury's mind without looking like he is badgering a victim.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:09 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Does this really matter if she lies or omits key details about the events that night?
Its up to Fuller to bring those details out.
Omitting doesn't typically hurt a lot.
An outright lie hurts a lot. Prove it, though.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:09 pm to reddman
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The cross examination is gonna be a tricky one, for sure. Fuller needs to put doubt into the jury's mind without looking like he is badgering a victim.
I agree. Beating her up on cross might do more harm than good.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:09 pm to reddman
quote:I would simply ask her about her original statements through her attorney that were proven false. And then move on. It shows she was willing to lie, and you dont have to ask but one question
The cross examination is gonna be a tricky one, for sure. Fuller needs to put doubt into the jury's mind without looking like he is badgering a victim.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:10 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Typically I would agree.
A part of me wants to say that his strategy should be to just go after her. To treat her like a liar and let the jury know "I'm sorry I had to do that but she is lying and I am fighting for this man's life" etc etc.
It is a tricky situation to be in.
A part of me wants to say that his strategy should be to just go after her. To treat her like a liar and let the jury know "I'm sorry I had to do that but she is lying and I am fighting for this man's life" etc etc.
It is a tricky situation to be in.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:11 pm to lsupride87
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I would simply ask her about her original statements through her attorney that were proven false. And then move on. It shows she was willing to lie, and you dont have to ask but one question
I'm not sure he can even do that, can he? They weren't her words that were spoken. They were her attorney's.
Posted on 12/6/16 at 4:11 pm to Fun Bunch
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An outright lie hurts a lot. Prove it, though.
Well the tox reports call her a liar.
She said (through her lawyer) that smith only had a few drinks that day, and was in no way impaired in the least. Not only was he impaired, he was fricking shitfaced.
Don't feel like going back and reading the transcript of that presser right now, but with what we've learned since, I'd imagine the story that racquel told then is quite a bit different than the reality of what happened.
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