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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:45 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:45 pm to Lester Earl
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you dont' have to be directly facing your vehicle in order to reach into it. Think about how you've gotten into a car your whole life.
Not once have I gotten into my car with my back facing the door.
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:46 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
I know y'all just want to keep arguing but Mordock is saying Fuller now had a case for a mistrial because Rodrique made a completely improper reference to protesters during her closing
He said he doubts it will be granted, but there is a fair case for a mistrial now
rt3 care to elaborate?
He said he doubts it will be granted, but there is a fair case for a mistrial now
rt3 care to elaborate?
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:46 pm to Lester Earl
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huh? there are witnesses that said they heard Will Smith mention retrieving his gun.
Anyone testify to that in court? I honestly don't remember.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:47 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
I agree. His testimony was stupid. Whats sad is he sat there during the whole trial, seems if he was going to make stuff up he could have done a better job of fitting what happened into what was presented.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:47 pm to Lester Earl
YOU ARE ARGUING HAYES WAS REASONABLY AFRAID BECAUSE WILL WAS GOING TO RETREIVE HIS GUN.
That is not even Hayes defense. You are making a new defense for Hayes.
Hayes claims Will fired at him before he returned fire.
You are making shite up.
That is not even Hayes defense. You are making a new defense for Hayes.
Hayes claims Will fired at him before he returned fire.
You are making shite up.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:48 pm to tgrbaitn08
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It's ashame because I think if Hayes would have hired a better more competent attorney he would get off.
I definitely think they missed some shots. A lot of hearsay on both sides, yet the state took the correct shots on the little minute things that didnt really matter which could possibly sway the jurors.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:49 pm to LNCHBOX
Only place i saw it was on the video of the witness someone here identified as justin ross. You can clearly hear him say both sides mentioned a gun in the argument. You cn see this on youtube search will smith crime scene video. Not sure why ross wasnt questioned on this or the video played. Seems like a failure on the drfense.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:49 pm to LNCHBOX
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Not once have I gotten into my car with my back facing the door.
dont ever change
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:49 pm to LNCHBOX
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huh? there are witnesses that said they heard Will Smith mention retrieving his gun.
Anyone testify to that in court? I honestly don't remember.
I thought it was Hayes' buddy who supposedly said that, but I could be wrong.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:50 pm to Lester Earl
Les, do you believe CH testimony that WS had gun and fired shot(s)?
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:51 pm to Lester Earl
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dont ever change
Back at you.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:52 pm to Festus
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Les, do you believe CH testimony that WS had gun and fired shot(s)?
nope. As i said last night i dont even think they had to play this card. Hayes was in a good spot up until that point.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:54 pm to Lester Earl
Questions about jury. Where do they stay at night? Can the jurors talk to each other outside of the trial?
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:55 pm to diat150
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Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate
The Cardell Hayes trial jury retires to deliberate at 4:53 p.m.
now the waiting game begins
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:55 pm to lsupride87
No merit to that. And if you don't move for it at the time of the occurrence, it's waived.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:56 pm to diat150
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Questions about jury. Where do they stay at night? Can the jurors talk to each other outside of the trial?
I assume a sequestered jury is kinda like being in a papal conclave
stay in a hotel... only people you're allowed to talk to over that time is the people also voting with you
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:56 pm to LNCHBOX
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Alternate jurors are released. Talk about only getting to 2nd base after a $400 dinner
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:56 pm to diat150
they stay in a hotel, not sure which one
Posted on 12/11/16 at 4:58 pm to Lester Earl
Yeah, I can't figure out why defense let him get up there and testify to that. Once he did that, it opened up the door to clearly show he's lying about that. So what else is he lying about?
If he testified WS threatened to retrieve gun, then was heading to vehicle to get it, and CH panicked and didn't want to wait for it to be drawn, he at least had an argument that he had reasonable fear, and adrenaline caused him to fire too quickly. Multiple shots can be explained in that once he shot, he did so until threat was neutralized.
If I'm on jury, I think long and hard about that. But a phantom gun, and huge police cover up, with no corroboration evidence? What were they thinking?
If he testified WS threatened to retrieve gun, then was heading to vehicle to get it, and CH panicked and didn't want to wait for it to be drawn, he at least had an argument that he had reasonable fear, and adrenaline caused him to fire too quickly. Multiple shots can be explained in that once he shot, he did so until threat was neutralized.
If I'm on jury, I think long and hard about that. But a phantom gun, and huge police cover up, with no corroboration evidence? What were they thinking?
Posted on 12/11/16 at 5:02 pm to Festus
Yeah hey definitely had all the momentum when it came out hernandez stirred the shite up and it was corroborated by all of the witnesses then you even had the guy with a great view out of his house say there was physical contact. At least up to that point you have nobody saying hayes had a gun out and its pretty much his word against theirs as far as did smith make a threat about getting gun.
Clearly the defense shite the bed with the conspiracies.
Clearly the defense shite the bed with the conspiracies.
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